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		<title>By: More P2P Fun with Mark &#124; BradFox.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-2/#comment-1799562</link>
		<dc:creator>More P2P Fun with Mark &#124; BradFox.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] taken a swipe against BitTorrent in particular, and that he is/was also involved with financing a commercial file-sharing competitor to the ubiquitous P2P protocol. Perhaps in the end these series of posts are really less about issues facing his personal internet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] taken a swipe against BitTorrent in particular, and that he is/was also involved with financing a commercial file-sharing competitor to the ubiquitous P2P protocol. Perhaps in the end these series of posts are really less about issues facing his personal internet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: adult internet station tv</title>
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		<dc:creator>adult internet station tv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Payday for Red Swoosh: $15 million from Akamai</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-2/#comment-1556582</link>
		<dc:creator>Payday for Red Swoosh: $15 million from Akamai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has acquired Red Swoosh for $15 million in a stock for stock transaction. We covered Red Swoosh last year when they launched a free, ad supported version of its file serving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has acquired Red Swoosh for $15 million in a stock for stock transaction. We covered Red Swoosh last year when they launched a free, ad supported version of its file serving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RazorSharp iPods &#38; Raw Gadgets &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Payday for Red Swoosh: $15 million from Akamai</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-2/#comment-1386662</link>
		<dc:creator>RazorSharp iPods &#38; Raw Gadgets &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Payday for Red Swoosh: $15 million from Akamai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 06:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has acquired Red Swoosh for $15 million in a stock for stock transaction. We covered Red Swoosh last year when they launched a free, ad supported version of its file serving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has acquired Red Swoosh for $15 million in a stock for stock transaction. We covered Red Swoosh last year when they launched a free, ad supported version of its file serving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bram Cohen vs. Mark Cuban, Round One &#124; TorrentFreak</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-2/#comment-863247</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram Cohen vs. Mark Cuban, Round One &#124; TorrentFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Maybe he&#8217;s talking trash because he invested $1.7 million in a &#8216;BitTorrent-like&#8217; company. He&#8217;s been transparent about such motivations before. That said, he does has some claim to punditry in the bandwidth space because his $5 billion sale of broadcast.com for yahoo stock set the precedent for valuing bandwidth supply companies based on how quickly they flush money down the toilet. (Amusingly, if you go to broadcast.com today it simply redirects to yahoo.com.)&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Maybe he&#8217;s talking trash because he invested $1.7 million in a &#8216;BitTorrent-like&#8217; company. He&#8217;s been transparent about such motivations before. That said, he does has some claim to punditry in the bandwidth space because his $5 billion sale of broadcast.com for yahoo stock set the precedent for valuing bandwidth supply companies based on how quickly they flush money down the toilet. (Amusingly, if you go to broadcast.com today it simply redirects to yahoo.com.)&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Zudeo、最初のビッグパートナーはBBC</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-561897</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Zudeo、最初のビッグパートナーはBBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/#comment-561897</guid>
		<description>[...] comments &#187;          Dwarf、Strange and Invasion Earth、Little Britain、Doctor Who、Fawlty Towers、Coupling、Keeping Up Appearances、League of Gentlemen andIdealなど多数のテレビ番組をU.S.ユーザーにライセンスする。 BBC番組の中で唯一見る価値があるThe Officeが含まれていないのは悲劇的だが、確かにこの番組はAzureusのBitTorrentクライアントで容易に入手可能だからね。 パブリシャー側から見たZudeoの利点はかなり明確で、バンド幅コストを大幅に減らすためP2Pネットワークも利用できる点だ。それにユーザーにとってはダウンロードがスピードアップできる点が大きそう。 今回の同意は、パブリシャーに競合サービスを提供するPandoそれにRed Swooshにとってはトラブルを意味する。もっとも、Zudeoサイドはこれらの企業に関心はないだろうが。IPTVをにらんだ競争がiTunes、Venice Project、ZudeoそれにYouTubeといったライバルの間で勃発しつつある。同分野に注目だ。[原文へ] Azureus Zudeo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comments &#187;          Dwarf、Strange and Invasion Earth、Little Britain、Doctor Who、Fawlty Towers、Coupling、Keeping Up Appearances、League of Gentlemen andIdealなど多数のテレビ番組をU.S.ユーザーにライセンスする。 BBC番組の中で唯一見る価値があるThe Officeが含まれていないのは悲劇的だが、確かにこの番組はAzureusのBitTorrentクライアントで容易に入手可能だからね。 パブリシャー側から見たZudeoの利点はかなり明確で、バンド幅コストを大幅に減らすためP2Pネットワークも利用できる点だ。それにユーザーにとってはダウンロードがスピードアップできる点が大きそう。 今回の同意は、パブリシャーに競合サービスを提供するPandoそれにRed Swooshにとってはトラブルを意味する。もっとも、Zudeoサイドはこれらの企業に関心はないだろうが。IPTVをにらんだ競争がiTunes、Venice Project、ZudeoそれにYouTubeといったライバルの間で勃発しつつある。同分野に注目だ。[原文へ] Azureus Zudeo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-196506</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont see this benefiting anyone.... I installed the client, but I have never used the application. Why do I need redswoosh if I can download directly.

instead of marketing their site to end users, they should be marketing to companies.
The least they could do was display downloadabe links on their website.
my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont see this benefiting anyone&#8230;. I installed the client, but I have never used the application. Why do I need redswoosh if I can download directly.</p>
<p>instead of marketing their site to end users, they should be marketing to companies.<br />
The least they could do was display downloadabe links on their website.<br />
my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: Tech Industry &#187; Red Swoosh Busts Out Free Content Delivery</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-189527</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech Industry &#187; Red Swoosh Busts Out Free Content Delivery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The story also mentions how they built their recent release from the beaches of Thailandread more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The story also mentions how they built their recent release from the beaches of Thailandread more&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg story [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Techcrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wow - Grouper Sells for $65 million</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-150587</link>
		<dc:creator>Techcrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wow - Grouper Sells for $65 million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course, it looks like Sony was most attracted to Grouper&#8217;s yet to be launched P2P technology for eventual movie distribution, meaning YouTube comparisons are inappropriate. $65 million is still a lot to pay, however, and bittorent, as well as services like Red Swoosh (covered here), are proven and effective means of moving large amounts of data over the Internet.  Grouper [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of course, it looks like Sony was most attracted to Grouper&#8217;s yet to be launched P2P technology for eventual movie distribution, meaning YouTube comparisons are inappropriate. $65 million is still a lot to pay, however, and bittorent, as well as services like Red Swoosh (covered here), are proven and effective means of moving large amounts of data over the Internet.  Grouper [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Techcrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SkyRider aims to monetize P2P</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-121707</link>
		<dc:creator>Techcrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SkyRider aims to monetize P2P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Several weeks ago we profiled a project called &#8220;Johny&#8221; from Guba that purports to detect copyrighted video on media sharing sites and RedSwoosh, a bittorent-like service for distributing large files. It will be interesting to see if SkyRider ends up offering anything like either of what these two companies are doing. Skyrider [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Several weeks ago we profiled a project called &#8220;Johny&#8221; from Guba that purports to detect copyrighted video on media sharing sites and RedSwoosh, a bittorent-like service for distributing large files. It will be interesting to see if SkyRider ends up offering anything like either of what these two companies are doing. Skyrider [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ink defence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MoveDigital launches metered torrents, mobile streaming; John Edwards and Rocketboom among first customers</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-112959</link>
		<dc:creator>ink defence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MoveDigital launches metered torrents, mobile streaming; John Edwards and Rocketboom among first customers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Torrents and P2P are becoming more viable for mass adoption as an increasing number of vendors release products aimed at nontechnical audiences. In addition to MoveDigital, previously profiled companies working in this direction include Red Swoosh and Opera 9, both of which enable easy and free torrent downloads.   MoveDigital [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Torrents and P2P are becoming more viable for mass adoption as an increasing number of vendors release products aimed at nontechnical audiences. In addition to MoveDigital, previously profiled companies working in this direction include Red Swoosh and Opera 9, both of which enable easy and free torrent downloads.   MoveDigital [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MoveDigital launches metered torrents, mobile streaming; John Edwards and Rocketboom among first customers</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-103754</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MoveDigital launches metered torrents, mobile streaming; John Edwards and Rocketboom among first customers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Torrents are becoming more viable for mass adoption as an increasing number of vendors release torrent oriented products aimed at nontechnical audiences. In addition to MoveDigital, previously profiled companies working in this direction include Red Swoosh and Opera 9, both of which enable easy and free torrent downloads. MoveDigital [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Torrents are becoming more viable for mass adoption as an increasing number of vendors release torrent oriented products aimed at nontechnical audiences. In addition to MoveDigital, previously profiled companies working in this direction include Red Swoosh and Opera 9, both of which enable easy and free torrent downloads. MoveDigital [...]</p>
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		<title>By: till</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-99791</link>
		<dc:creator>till</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wonder how a potenial advertiser sees this. On the one side, you are trying to milk them, on the other side, you are working against them by offering your users a subscription system to get rid off them. It does not sound like it&#039;ll work in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wonder how a potenial advertiser sees this. On the one side, you are trying to milk them, on the other side, you are working against them by offering your users a subscription system to get rid off them. It does not sound like it&#8217;ll work in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: syawal</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-94351</link>
		<dc:creator>syawal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guy,

take a look at swarmcast.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guy,</p>
<p>take a look at swarmcast.net</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-93128</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin -- How did you arrange a 4Mbps link?!?  We were scraping by on *maybe* a 768Kbps satellite link.  Talk about latency!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8212; How did you arrange a 4Mbps link?!?  We were scraping by on *maybe* a 768Kbps satellite link.  Talk about latency!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-93090</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Ian found at:

http://www.redswoosh.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13&amp;page=1#Item_4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Ian found at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redswoosh.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13&amp;page=1#Item_4" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.redswoosh.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=13&amp;page=1#Item_4'>http://www.reds...p;page=1#Item_4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Red Swoosh The Ajax P2P Bandwidth-Saving Dojo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Big day at Swoosh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-93075</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Swoosh The Ajax P2P Bandwidth-Saving Dojo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Big day at Swoosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arrington with the full scoop at TechCrunch   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arrington with the full scoop at TechCrunch   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Burton</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92971</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 02:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record.... Tailrank was the first company to outsource itself!  I spent from mid May to mid June on the beach in Phuket hacking on Tailrank 2.0...

I was very productive actually.. I was LITERALLY on the beach hacking on a 4Mbit link with my laptop.

w00t!...

Its certainly not for everyone and I thinkthe Red Swoosh team will feel the pain a bit... Krabi isn&#039;t as developed as Phuket... 

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record&#8230;. Tailrank was the first company to outsource itself!  I spent from mid May to mid June on the beach in Phuket hacking on Tailrank 2.0&#8230;</p>
<p>I was very productive actually.. I was LITERALLY on the beach hacking on a 4Mbit link with my laptop.</p>
<p>w00t!&#8230;</p>
<p>Its certainly not for everyone and I thinkthe Red Swoosh team will feel the pain a bit&#8230; Krabi isn&#8217;t as developed as Phuket&#8230; </p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92952</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick -- Can you write dbarrett@redswoosh.net?  I&#039;ll help get you going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick &#8212; Can you write <a href="mailto:dbarrett@redswoosh.net">dbarrett@redswoosh.net</a>?  I&#8217;ll help get you going.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92946</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t get it going. I installed it three times, shut down my browsers, tried FF and IE. But the idea is great. I think the initial DL is a pain for viewers. Need a way to build some trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t get it going. I installed it three times, shut down my browsers, tried FF and IE. But the idea is great. I think the initial DL is a pain for viewers. Need a way to build some trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92938</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis,

I&#039;m happy to take this discussion elsewhere - but since this discussion was started (by you) on this forum, I think I should get the opportunity to respond on this forum too.  We can take subsequent discussion elsewhere.

If you recall, I did sign an NDA with you guys, and I reviewed your architecture as a possible prelude to doing some work for you, but I did not do any work for you, as evidenced by the fact that you never paid me anything (nor did I expect or ask for any payment - because I hadn&#039;t done any work).

Dijjer incorporates many ideas that existed previously in other P2P applications, its HTTP proxy borrows from Coral Cache, its decentralized nature is from Freenet, its NAT circumvention is similar to STUN etc etc.  If I don&#039;t attribute Red Swoosh, it is for the simple reason that Red Swoosh was not the source of any of the ideas implemented in Dijjer.  If it was, I wouldn&#039;t be afraid to say so, but it wasn&#039;t.  I wish I could say that Red Swoosh had been an inspiration for something in Dijjer, since that would presumably satisfy you and make this silly discussion go away, but it would be a lie.  Red Swoosh and Dijjer are *very* different architectures, despite outward appearences.

I agree that it was erronous for anyone to say that Red Swoosh had copied Dijjer, Red Swoosh certainly pre-dates Dijjer, but the remedy for this is not for you to make the equally erronous claim that Dijjer had copied Red Swoosh.

It is also true that Red Swoosh has a much more mature technology than Dijjer, which I really haven&#039;t done much work on in quite a while, and it would not surprise me to know that Red Swoosh&#039;s stuff works much more effectively as a result.  I think Dijjer is a great starting point for a great piece of software, but it needs work before it could offer anything like Red Swoosh.  One of its advantages is that it is open source.

I am not at all embarassed to say that I looked to others for inspiration, we all stand on the shoulders of giants.  I&#039;m just saying that Red Swoosh wasn&#039;t one of them.  Since Dijjer is open source you are welcome to poke around and find anything in there that was unique to Red Swoosh at the time Dijjer was implemented.  To the best of my knowledge and recollection, you won&#039;t find anything.

I will continue the discussion on your forum if there is anything more to discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to take this discussion elsewhere &#8211; but since this discussion was started (by you) on this forum, I think I should get the opportunity to respond on this forum too.  We can take subsequent discussion elsewhere.</p>
<p>If you recall, I did sign an NDA with you guys, and I reviewed your architecture as a possible prelude to doing some work for you, but I did not do any work for you, as evidenced by the fact that you never paid me anything (nor did I expect or ask for any payment &#8211; because I hadn&#8217;t done any work).</p>
<p>Dijjer incorporates many ideas that existed previously in other P2P applications, its HTTP proxy borrows from Coral Cache, its decentralized nature is from Freenet, its NAT circumvention is similar to STUN etc etc.  If I don&#8217;t attribute Red Swoosh, it is for the simple reason that Red Swoosh was not the source of any of the ideas implemented in Dijjer.  If it was, I wouldn&#8217;t be afraid to say so, but it wasn&#8217;t.  I wish I could say that Red Swoosh had been an inspiration for something in Dijjer, since that would presumably satisfy you and make this silly discussion go away, but it would be a lie.  Red Swoosh and Dijjer are *very* different architectures, despite outward appearences.</p>
<p>I agree that it was erronous for anyone to say that Red Swoosh had copied Dijjer, Red Swoosh certainly pre-dates Dijjer, but the remedy for this is not for you to make the equally erronous claim that Dijjer had copied Red Swoosh.</p>
<p>It is also true that Red Swoosh has a much more mature technology than Dijjer, which I really haven&#8217;t done much work on in quite a while, and it would not surprise me to know that Red Swoosh&#8217;s stuff works much more effectively as a result.  I think Dijjer is a great starting point for a great piece of software, but it needs work before it could offer anything like Red Swoosh.  One of its advantages is that it is open source.</p>
<p>I am not at all embarassed to say that I looked to others for inspiration, we all stand on the shoulders of giants.  I&#8217;m just saying that Red Swoosh wasn&#8217;t one of them.  Since Dijjer is open source you are welcome to poke around and find anything in there that was unique to Red Swoosh at the time Dijjer was implemented.  To the best of my knowledge and recollection, you won&#8217;t find anything.</p>
<p>I will continue the discussion on your forum if there is anything more to discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92884</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, here&#039;s what I do remember from those days of yore, . . . you did a full review of our architecture and some of our code and you signed an IP assignment and confidentiality agreement for the work you did.

Look Ian, there is a reason why people think that Dijjer is the same as Red Swoosh. . . it&#039;s because from a website owner&#039;s perspective it&#039;s *exactly* the same to implement.  It&#039;s not a casual similarity.  And it was not long after we did this review, the dijjer project gets underway.  At the least you could say the optics don&#039;t look good.

Given that, I hope you can at least understand why we might expect some level of attribution.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a travesty (no pun intended) that you might have looked at others&#039; work including ours and put it into your own.  

I think dijjer is a fine project, and there is a certain elegance to open-source projects -- we&#039;re actually thinking about doing the same with Red Swoosh following in your footsteps.  

Now, I apologize for calling you out in a public forum like I did, but as you can see people were erroneously coming to the conclusion that Red Swoosh was the one who had copied dijjer.  Now I know that we both agree that Red Swoosh is a superior CDN technology, but instead of being embarassed to say you looked to others and even Red Swoosh for inspiration, be open to the fact that you may have learned something from other folks.

We are open to this conversation, but would like to do so without burdening the TechCrunch webboard.  What we will do is post all of our comments regarding this thread here: http://www.redswoosh.net/forum/?CategoryID=7.  We invite you to post here as well, but if not please send me an email or other location to find your coments and I will post our response accordingly.

Thanks,

Travis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, here&#8217;s what I do remember from those days of yore, . . . you did a full review of our architecture and some of our code and you signed an IP assignment and confidentiality agreement for the work you did.</p>
<p>Look Ian, there is a reason why people think that Dijjer is the same as Red Swoosh. . . it&#8217;s because from a website owner&#8217;s perspective it&#8217;s *exactly* the same to implement.  It&#8217;s not a casual similarity.  And it was not long after we did this review, the dijjer project gets underway.  At the least you could say the optics don&#8217;t look good.</p>
<p>Given that, I hope you can at least understand why we might expect some level of attribution.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a travesty (no pun intended) that you might have looked at others&#8217; work including ours and put it into your own.  </p>
<p>I think dijjer is a fine project, and there is a certain elegance to open-source projects &#8212; we&#8217;re actually thinking about doing the same with Red Swoosh following in your footsteps.  </p>
<p>Now, I apologize for calling you out in a public forum like I did, but as you can see people were erroneously coming to the conclusion that Red Swoosh was the one who had copied dijjer.  Now I know that we both agree that Red Swoosh is a superior CDN technology, but instead of being embarassed to say you looked to others and even Red Swoosh for inspiration, be open to the fact that you may have learned something from other folks.</p>
<p>We are open to this conversation, but would like to do so without burdening the TechCrunch webboard.  What we will do is post all of our comments regarding this thread here: <a href="http://www.redswoosh.net/forum/?CategoryID=7" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.redswoosh.net/forum/?CategoryID=7'>http://www.reds...m/?CategoryID=7</a>.  We invite you to post here as well, but if not please send me an email or other location to find your coments and I will post our response accordingly.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Travis</p>
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		<title>By: Otis</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92845</link>
		<dc:creator>Otis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A temporary move from the Silicon Valley to almost any isolated place anywhere on Earth makes sense.  There are too many dot com-like parties in Silicon Valley. May the history (not) repeat. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A temporary move from the Silicon Valley to almost any isolated place anywhere on Earth makes sense.  There are too many dot com-like parties in Silicon Valley. May the history (not) repeat. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Perry Huang &#187; Red Swoosh Busts Out Free Content Delivery</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92828</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Huang &#187; Red Swoosh Busts Out Free Content Delivery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The story also mentions how they built their recent release from the beaches of Thailandread more&#160;&#124;&#160;digg story    12:45 pm &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pig Pen - Web Standards Compliant Web Design Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RedSwoosh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/05/use-red-swoosh-to-serve-files-for-free/comment-page-1/#comment-92826</link>
		<dc:creator>Pig Pen - Web Standards Compliant Web Design Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; RedSwoosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RedSwoosh - serve files for free on an ad supported basis or you can pay a fee to get rid of them. There&#8217;s a profile on RedSwoosh at TechCrunch. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RedSwoosh &#8211; serve files for free on an ad supported basis or you can pay a fee to get rid of them. There&#8217;s a profile on RedSwoosh at TechCrunch. [...]</p>
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