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]]> By: Bill http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-683788 Bill Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:41:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-683788 Flex is a no brainer. It's got a free SDK (we have it hooked into Xcode) and make sit easy to go cross platform. We've used it to build http://www.mapwing.com, which makes it easy for anyone to turn their digital photos and maps into virtual tours then shares these. Flex is a no brainer. It’s got a free SDK (we have it hooked into Xcode) and make sit easy to go cross platform. We’ve used it to build http://www.mapwing.com, which makes it easy for anyone to turn their digital photos and maps into virtual tours then shares these.

]]> By: Josh http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-98891 Josh Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:42:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-98891 Don, It's in any company's interest to want its customers to continue to use their product, yet I'd hardly call this vendor lock-in. The Flex Framework is free, and you can choose to use it or not. If you decide you no longer want to use Flex, the only resource you've lost is the time you've spent on it. That's exactly the same situation you'd be in if you chose AJAX or OpenLaszlo. Also, it should be obvious to the person choosing to use Flex that it requires the Flash player. There's no marketing or indication that it should ever support another platform. You're just stating the obvious. One more thing, Flex actually has some support for SVG. You have to import it at compile time, but you'll be able to use the vectors within your application. Adobe seems to like this format, so I'd expect enhanced support in the future. Don,

It’s in any company’s interest to want its customers to continue to use their product, yet I’d hardly call this vendor lock-in. The Flex Framework is free, and you can choose to use it or not. If you decide you no longer want to use Flex, the only resource you’ve lost is the time you’ve spent on it. That’s exactly the same situation you’d be in if you chose AJAX or OpenLaszlo. Also, it should be obvious to the person choosing to use Flex that it requires the Flash player. There’s no marketing or indication that it should ever support another platform. You’re just stating the obvious.

One more thing, Flex actually has some support for SVG. You have to import it at compile time, but you’ll be able to use the vectors within your application. Adobe seems to like this format, so I’d expect enhanced support in the future.

]]> By: Architect’s Linkblog » Blog Archive » 11 Links for 7/2/06 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-90372 Architect’s Linkblog » Blog Archive » 11 Links for 7/2/06 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:10:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-90372 [...] Communicate effectively by asking questions - Some questions to ask yourself to help you make your communications more effective. Architecture Dilemma: O/R mapping when/why - An article on when and why you might want to use an OR mapping. What Does the Object See? - A different perspective to look at object use when doing OO design. Software Engineering Explained - Humorous cartoon about the various software stakeholders views. Accelerating requirements specifications - Links to a suggested requirements specification template along with a warning about blind template usage. Harnessing Collective Innovation with Web - How Web 2.0 can aid collaboration and how to leverage Web 2.0 in the enterprise. Adobe Launches Flex 2 - Now develop Flash or Ajax applications using the Flex Eclipse based IDE. Microsoft Invites More Projects Into Shared-Source CodePlex - Microsoft’s new portal for hosting open source projects for Microsoft platforms. Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 - W3C’s suggestions on how to build web applications for mobile devices. Usability Manifesto - Rob’s proposal of three tenants for good usability. Java EE 5 Performance Management and Optimization - The first article in a series presenting a methodology to help ensure project performance of a JEE application. [...] [...] Communicate effectively by asking questions - Some questions to ask yourself to help you make your communications more effective. Architecture Dilemma: O/R mapping when/why - An article on when and why you might want to use an OR mapping. What Does the Object See? - A different perspective to look at object use when doing OO design. Software Engineering Explained - Humorous cartoon about the various software stakeholders views. Accelerating requirements specifications - Links to a suggested requirements specification template along with a warning about blind template usage. Harnessing Collective Innovation with Web - How Web 2.0 can aid collaboration and how to leverage Web 2.0 in the enterprise. Adobe Launches Flex 2 - Now develop Flash or Ajax applications using the Flex Eclipse based IDE. Microsoft Invites More Projects Into Shared-Source CodePlex - Microsoft’s new portal for hosting open source projects for Microsoft platforms. Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 - W3C’s suggestions on how to build web applications for mobile devices. Usability Manifesto - Rob’s proposal of three tenants for good usability. Java EE 5 Performance Management and Optimization - The first article in a series presenting a methodology to help ensure project performance of a JEE application. [...]

]]> By: Don Hopkins http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-89671 Don Hopkins Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:34:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-89671 FLEX is designed to LOCK YOU INTO FLASH! It's a textbook case of vendor lock-in. FLEX will never support DHTML. It will never support SVG. It will never support Avalon. It is specifically designed to tie you into Flash. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in On the other hand, OpenLaszlo was designed from day one to be independent of Flash, to support multiple runtimes, to enable you to write your application once and port it to different platforms. The new version of OpenLaszlo in development now supports DHTML, which enables you to compile the same OpenLaszlo program for Flash or DHTML, without any modifications. Check out the LzPIX application running identically on Flash and DHTML, and take a look at the source code: http://www.OpenLaszlo.org What is OpenLaszlo, and what is it good for? http://www.donhopkins.com/home/124 -Don FLEX is designed to LOCK YOU INTO FLASH! It’s a textbook case of vendor lock-in. FLEX will never support DHTML. It will never support SVG. It will never support Avalon. It is specifically designed to tie you into Flash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in

On the other hand, OpenLaszlo was designed from day one to be independent of Flash, to support multiple runtimes, to enable you to write your application once and port it to different platforms. The new version of OpenLaszlo in development now supports DHTML, which enables you to compile the same OpenLaszlo program for Flash or DHTML, without any modifications.

Check out the LzPIX application running identically on Flash and DHTML, and take a look at the source code:

http://www.OpenLaszlo.org

What is OpenLaszlo, and what is it good for?

http://www.donhopkins.com/home/124

-Don

]]> By: bmLog ☄ » Blog Archive » Untitled http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-88242 bmLog ☄ » Blog Archive » Untitled Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:38:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-88242 [...] TechCrunch » Blog Archive » Adobe Launches Flex 2 [...] [...] TechCrunch » Blog Archive » Adobe Launches Flex 2 [...]

]]> By: Flex http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87635 Flex Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:08:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87635 Getting Flex to speak to .Net is not as hard as they say, the best integration I've managed to create so far is dealing .Net DataSets back and forth between a webservice and a Flex Application. The backside is that I had to implement DataSets in Flex (and some other stuff, mostly UI-bindings). Other than that I can''t say I've had any issues with integration to .Net. Some sort of SharedObject might be nice, but sending DataSets makes data handling a breeze. Erik / flexforum.org Getting Flex to speak to .Net is not as hard as they say, the best integration I’ve managed to create so far is dealing .Net DataSets back and forth between a webservice and a Flex Application.

The backside is that I had to implement DataSets in Flex (and some other stuff, mostly UI-bindings).

Other than that I can”t say I’ve had any issues with integration to .Net.
Some sort of SharedObject might be nice, but sending DataSets makes data handling a breeze.

Erik / flexforum.org

]]> By: mirPod http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87390 mirPod Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:38:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87390 Flash Ajax Javascript and PHP can speak together easily. An example: a strat page with news, Rss, podcasts, meteo, Flickr, videos YouTube... http://mirpod.com/webpi.php?lang=en Flash Ajax Javascript and PHP can speak together easily. An example: a strat page with news, Rss, podcasts, meteo, Flickr, videos YouTube…

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]]> By: Mark http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87163 Mark Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:46:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87163 Michael, I agree that it is possible to write bad ASP-like code in Flex, particularly if you are new to Flex and/or programming. Serious programmers should look into the Cairngorm application framework and check out the other best-practices material on the adobe website. There are already a number of top-tier financial services companies that are using Flex to create applications; I believe they share your concerns about user experience and enterprise-grade quality, and have so far found Flex meets their standards. Michael, I agree that it is possible to write bad ASP-like code in Flex, particularly if you are new to Flex and/or programming. Serious programmers should look into the Cairngorm application framework and check out the other best-practices material on the adobe website. There are already a number of top-tier financial services companies that are using Flex to create applications; I believe they share your concerns about user experience and enterprise-grade quality, and have so far found Flex meets their standards.

]]> By: Mark http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87162 Mark Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:45:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87162 Flash Player 9 is a new version of Flash Player that supports Flex 2. The main new feature is the high-performance JIT interpreter/compiler for ActionScript 3. There is no corresponding new release of the Flash authoring IDE, this will presumably come at a later date. Flash Player 9 is entirely compatible with Flash 8, as well as all previous versions of Flash. Flash Player 9 is a new version of Flash Player that supports Flex 2. The main new feature is the high-performance JIT interpreter/compiler for ActionScript 3. There is no corresponding new release of the Flash authoring IDE, this will presumably come at a later date. Flash Player 9 is entirely compatible with Flash 8, as well as all previous versions of Flash.

]]> By: JesterXL http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87138 JesterXL Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87138 Flash Player 9 was released with a new ActionScript Virtual Machine was refer to as AVM+. It works aside the old one, but is 2 years in the making and bad ass. It uses a JIT (Just In Time Compiler) to convert ActionScript bytecode to machine code to run ultra-fast, faster than JavaScript. Additionally, it has a a new DisplayList feature, de-coupling display with View creation. Finally, it has ActionScript 3 with E4X (ECMAScript for XML) that is ECMAScript 4 compliant. ActionScript 3 is a lot like Java basically, with strong typing, runtime exceptions in the debug player, and a nice built-in event system (... as well as Binary Sockets, yum!). <a href="http://www.onflex.org/ted/2006/06/player-9-released-this-changes.php" rel="nofollow">More info here</a>. mxmlc is the (FREE) standalone compiler for compiling MXML and/or ActionScript, CSS, and other assets into SWF files. Flex applications were (and some still are) targetted at the Enterprise world. Enterprise applications are large in scope, and it was obvious Flash Player 7 and 8 weren't cutting it. Flash Player 9 is 10x times faster, has extremely better memory management, and slight improvements to the new Garbage Collector added in Flash Player 8. Flex apps now launch faster than some web pages I've seen. Flex Builder 2 is created so traditional web developers and programmers have a familiar paradigm for developing; Eclipse. Flash was too hard; most programmers would go, "WTF is this timeline for?". Flex Framework 2 (FREE) is the component framework that you usually use. It has buttons, checkboxes, containers, and various other controls and utility classes for creating applications. It has a ton of data service classes for connecting to simple GET/POST back-ends, WebServices, SOAP, and Flash Remoting. It still supports all the old Flash stuff like XMLSockets, and Flash Communication Server. Flex Charting are extremely nice charts. I hate charts, but some people love 'em (Google Finance anyone (done in Flash)) and I know the guys who worked on 'em worked really hard. Flex Data Services is the new and improved Flex Server with built in proxying (gets around Flash Player's security sandbox [cross domain]), blacklisting & whitelisting of services, Java class mapping, and real-time connectivity via data push (via sockets). It even maps with Java's Hiberate! Get the <a href="http://www.andersblog.com/archives/2006/06/flex_2_released.html" rel="nofollow">straight dope</a> from Mike Anders. Flash Player 9 was released with a new ActionScript Virtual Machine was refer to as AVM+. It works aside the old one, but is 2 years in the making and bad ass. It uses a JIT (Just In Time Compiler) to convert ActionScript bytecode to machine code to run ultra-fast, faster than JavaScript. Additionally, it has a a new DisplayList feature, de-coupling display with View creation. Finally, it has ActionScript 3 with E4X (ECMAScript for XML) that is ECMAScript 4 compliant. ActionScript 3 is a lot like Java basically, with strong typing, runtime exceptions in the debug player, and a nice built-in event system (… as well as Binary Sockets, yum!).

More info here.

mxmlc is the (FREE) standalone compiler for compiling MXML and/or ActionScript, CSS, and other assets into SWF files.

Flex applications were (and some still are) targetted at the Enterprise world. Enterprise applications are large in scope, and it was obvious Flash Player 7 and 8 weren’t cutting it. Flash Player 9 is 10x times faster, has extremely better memory management, and slight improvements to the new Garbage Collector added in Flash Player 8.

Flex apps now launch faster than some web pages I’ve seen.

Flex Builder 2 is created so traditional web developers and programmers have a familiar paradigm for developing; Eclipse. Flash was too hard; most programmers would go, “WTF is this timeline for?”.

Flex Framework 2 (FREE) is the component framework that you usually use. It has buttons, checkboxes, containers, and various other controls and utility classes for creating applications. It has a ton of data service classes for connecting to simple GET/POST back-ends, WebServices, SOAP, and Flash Remoting. It still supports all the old Flash stuff like XMLSockets, and Flash Communication Server.

Flex Charting are extremely nice charts. I hate charts, but some people love ‘em (Google Finance anyone (done in Flash)) and I know the guys who worked on ‘em worked really hard.

Flex Data Services is the new and improved Flex Server with built in proxying (gets around Flash Player’s security sandbox [cross domain]), blacklisting & whitelisting of services, Java class mapping, and real-time connectivity via data push (via sockets). It even maps with Java’s Hiberate!

Get the straight dope from Mike Anders.

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Adobe、Flex 2をリリース http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87086 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Adobe、Flex 2をリリース Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:38:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-87086 [...] [原文へ] Adobe Flex [...] [...] [原文へ] Adobe Flex [...]

]]> By: elwir http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86993 elwir Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:50:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86993 flex has been out for sth like two months, since it's alpha release. remember adobe flex ads on techcrunch homepage? but flash player 9 went out yesterday, if i am not mistaken. I have no ideas if the release was "exclusively because of flex" but i do not think so because as i said flex had been out for 2 months and it would be stupid of adobe to upgrade flash player only because newer version of IDE is released. I think player 9 is just new version, (with small differences to previous one) but do agree that there is nothing on download page about whats new. btw, to download go here: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash flex has been out for sth like two months, since it’s alpha release. remember adobe flex ads on techcrunch homepage? but flash player 9 went out yesterday, if i am not mistaken. I have no ideas if the release was “exclusively because of flex” but i do not think so because as i said flex had been out for 2 months and it would be stupid of adobe to upgrade flash player only because newer version of IDE is released. I think player 9 is just new version, (with small differences to previous one) but do agree that there is nothing on download page about whats new. btw, to download go here: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave.....kwaveFlash

]]> By: Pig Pen - Web Standards Compliant Web Design Blog » Blog Archive » Adobe Launches Flex 2 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86968 Pig Pen - Web Standards Compliant Web Design Blog » Blog Archive » Adobe Launches Flex 2 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:23:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86968 [...] Adobe Launches Flex 2 - TechCrunch has the lowdown on the Flex web development environment. [...] [...] Adobe Launches Flex 2 - TechCrunch has the lowdown on the Flex web development environment. [...]

]]> By: 跟上.com » Genshang.com #9 29/06 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86964 跟上.com » Genshang.com #9 29/06 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:19:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86964 [...] Flex 2 正式来到程序员世界。 [...] [...] Flex 2 正式来到程序员世界。 [...]

]]> By: Frog29 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86866 Frog29 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:05:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86866 WAIT! So Flash player 9 will be realeased... and yet no one notices. Will flash palyer 9 come with a new Macromeia Flash? Or is it only for Flex 2 It seems as if flash 9 is only being mentioned as a sidenote... there is no announcement on the site (just a sidenote) and nothing syas what is new.... so is there anything really new, or is it just there for flex! Could someone help me out here? :P WAIT!
So Flash player 9 will be realeased… and yet no one notices.
Will flash palyer 9 come with a new Macromeia Flash?
Or is it only for Flex 2
It seems as if flash 9 is only being mentioned as a sidenote… there is no announcement on the site (just a sidenote) and nothing syas what is new…. so is there anything really new, or is it just there for flex!
Could someone help me out here? :P

]]> By: motherduce http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86818 motherduce Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:45:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86818 Excellent points, Michael - I have yet to get my hands dirty with Flex, due to some constraints at my current company, but with the little exposure I've had, it seems like it's definitely not for everyone. The ability to make some small, functional apps in a short time frame is enticing, however. Excellent points, Michael - I have yet to get my hands dirty with Flex, due to some constraints at my current company, but with the little exposure I’ve had, it seems like it’s definitely not for everyone.

The ability to make some small, functional apps in a short time frame is enticing, however.

]]> By: Michael http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86743 Michael Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:08:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86743 Steve: my understanding from a meeting with an Adobe representative was that Flex was developed with _Java_ developers as a system for creating enterprise intranets with rich application functionality, running in the Flash plugin (as opposed to more flakey platforms such as JInitiator). Jason - my key problem is that Flex is designed for _speed_, not for _quality_. My job is realising pixel-perfect designs in user-experience driven (not technology-driven) applications. Using Flex for this task is counterproductive. I agree that Actionscript has reached a level of maturity unappreciated by laymen - people still say things to me like "Flash is just like Visual Basic really, isn't it?". I have not been near the Flash IDE (unless I am working on a legacy project) for months now - I write everything in eclipse and build with ant scripts. This approach is not by Macromedia/Adobe's design, but due to the open source community and third-party companies. Just as I would not use the Design View in Dreamweaver to create a standards-compliant, accessible HTML/CSS website, I would not use Flex to create a powerful Flash application. The trouble is, with all the marketing Adobe are doing around this product, clients are asking for Flex, so I have to be able to work with it. I expected, at the minimum, a .NET style page / code-behind level of separation between MXML and Actionscript. It's just about possible in Flex, but I wish it was designed with a bit more experience of other technologies behind it. Writing a Flex application I feel like I've gone back to classic ASP. Adobe need to pay attention to the HTML community and the various other web app development platforms or they'll always seem to be a step behind. Steve: my understanding from a meeting with an Adobe representative was that Flex was developed with _Java_ developers as a system for creating enterprise intranets with rich application functionality, running in the Flash plugin (as opposed to more flakey platforms such as JInitiator).

Jason - my key problem is that Flex is designed for _speed_, not for _quality_. My job is realising pixel-perfect designs in user-experience driven (not technology-driven) applications. Using Flex for this task is counterproductive.

I agree that Actionscript has reached a level of maturity unappreciated by laymen - people still say things to me like “Flash is just like Visual Basic really, isn’t it?”. I have not been near the Flash IDE (unless I am working on a legacy project) for months now - I write everything in eclipse and build with ant scripts. This approach is not by Macromedia/Adobe’s design, but due to the open source community and third-party companies.

Just as I would not use the Design View in Dreamweaver to create a standards-compliant, accessible HTML/CSS website, I would not use Flex to create a powerful Flash application. The trouble is, with all the marketing Adobe are doing around this product, clients are asking for Flex, so I have to be able to work with it.

I expected, at the minimum, a .NET style page / code-behind level of separation between MXML and Actionscript. It’s just about possible in Flex, but I wish it was designed with a bit more experience of other technologies behind it. Writing a Flex application I feel like I’ve gone back to classic ASP. Adobe need to pay attention to the HTML community and the various other web app development platforms or they’ll always seem to be a step behind.

]]> By: » Adobe Releases Flex 2 and No One Notices | The Universal Desktop | ZDNet.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86732 » Adobe Releases Flex 2 and No One Notices | The Universal Desktop | ZDNet.com Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:55:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86732 [...] Adobe released Flex 2 this morning at 12:01 and while the Adobe Blogsphere was buzzing about the release, the general consensus from the tech community at large was a collective yawn. The press release went out, but no one seems interested in talking about it outside of the Adobe zone.  Even investors seem unimpressed. Edit: There is some coverage on TechCrunch, and it's even hit Techmeme, although the coverage doesn't compare to the usual product releases. [...] [...] Adobe released Flex 2 this morning at 12:01 and while the Adobe Blogsphere was buzzing about the release, the general consensus from the tech community at large was a collective yawn. The press release went out, but no one seems interested in talking about it outside of the Adobe zone.  Even investors seem unimpressed. Edit: There is some coverage on TechCrunch, and it’s even hit Techmeme, although the coverage doesn’t compare to the usual product releases. [...]

]]> By: Yukonbiz http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86712 Yukonbiz Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:29:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86712 <strong>Into the wild: Flex 2 and Flash Player 9...</strong> Hooray! Adobe Flex 2 and Flash Player 9 are now available. While Flex 2 will only be of interest to programmeres and designers who build web applications, Flash Player 9 is a huge leap forward in speed and performance, especially for those of us on Mac... Into the wild: Flex 2 and Flash Player 9…

Hooray! Adobe Flex 2 and Flash Player 9 are now available. While Flex 2 will only be of interest to programmeres and designers who build web applications, Flash Player 9 is a huge leap forward in speed and performance, especially for those of us on Mac…

]]> By: Jason Hawryluk http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86691 Jason Hawryluk Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:07:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86691 Michael, I disagree, I’ve been using flex since alpha and yes at the start it was difficult to get around but now with this final release much nicer. Contrary to what you state MVC is inherently trivial in Flex 2.0, It's complete OOP what more ,and how much more separation could you require? Separate to your hearts content. CSS why would you need it except for styling in flex, you have constraint based layouts, view states etc.. The CSS implementation in Flex is only a small subset because you don't require it. This statement is simply not true "It does not, however, let you create a high-quality application." Re-skinning a button is like 4 lines of code. What s wrong with having a view as an entry point to your app? With AJAX your required to have a view as well (index.html anyone). Unless you’ve figured out how to run JavaScript without a html page? Ajax and Flex are 2 different beasts. IMHO Flex beats it down a far as large applications go. Ajax is difficult to maintain in a serious enterprise app. Flex and flash are growing up, they are no longer toy’s. They are indeed serious developer tools. Michael, I disagree, I’ve been using flex since alpha and yes at the start it was difficult to get around but now with this final release much nicer.

Contrary to what you state MVC is inherently trivial in Flex 2.0, It’s complete OOP what more ,and how much more separation could you require? Separate to your hearts content.

CSS why would you need it except for styling in flex, you have constraint based layouts, view states etc.. The CSS implementation in Flex is only a small subset because you don’t require it.

This statement is simply not true “It does not, however, let you create a high-quality application.”

Re-skinning a button is like 4 lines of code.
What s wrong with having a view as an entry point to your app? With AJAX your required to have a view as well (index.html anyone). Unless you’ve figured out how to run JavaScript without a html page?

Ajax and Flex are 2 different beasts. IMHO Flex beats it down a far as large applications go. Ajax is difficult to maintain in a serious enterprise app. Flex and flash are growing up, they are no longer toy’s. They are indeed serious developer tools.

]]> By: Steve http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86669 Steve Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:48:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86669 Mike, I think you may have missed the point of Flex a little. While it does contain many components which make it easier to developer with (built in components such as an accordion etc), to work with Flex properly requires a good understand of Actionscript. Flex is effectively Flash for programmers / developers. Mike, I think you may have missed the point of Flex a little. While it does contain many components which make it easier to developer with (built in components such as an accordion etc), to work with Flex properly requires a good understand of Actionscript.

Flex is effectively Flash for programmers / developers.

]]> By: Frank Cefalu http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86631 Frank Cefalu Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:47:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/28/flash-wars-round-two-flex-2-launches/#comment-86631 Adobe has been doing great things lately. Looking forward to seeing flex released tommorrow and see what they've done with it =). Adobe has been doing great things lately.

Looking forward to seeing flex released tommorrow and see what they’ve done with it =).

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