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	<title>Comments on: PubSub Co-Founder Takes The Gloves Off, Digs Hole</title>
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		<title>By: NexGen Technology Blog » PubSub: They’re Baaaaack</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-1556803</link>
		<dc:creator>NexGen Technology Blog » PubSub: They’re Baaaaack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] power struggle, a merger with KnowNow fell apart and the company shut down. Even after that, Wyman kept swiping at Ismail on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PubSub: They’re Baaaaack</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-1556312</link>
		<dc:creator>PubSub: They’re Baaaaack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] power struggle, a merger with KnowNow fell apart and the company shut down. Even after that, Wyman kept swiping at Ismail on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PubSub, Round Two</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-1556288</link>
		<dc:creator>PubSub, Round Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] power struggle, a merger with KnowNow fell apart and the company shut down. Even after that, Wyman kept swiping at Ismail on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-994679</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi!<br />
i have a good audio systems on my website <a href="http://car-audio.org.md" rel="nofollow">http://car-audio.org.md</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uzi Josephson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-152842</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzi Josephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I find this story funny.</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to get on TechCrunch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-140996</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to get on TechCrunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-140996</guid>
		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been working for TechCrunch for about a month now. Even after a such a short stint I&#8217;ve seen a lot of the good, the bad, and the ugly. So, to help with quality control, I figured I&#8217;d offer a few tips to whoever stumbles upon this article about what kind of news really excites me as a TechCrunch reviewer.  The shortest way to a post is to be one of the big guys (Google, Yahoo, MySpace, Facebook) and have any new products going into or out of beta, preferably alpha.  If you&#8217;re not one of the big guys then we&#8217;ve either reported on you before or you&#8217;re completely new to us. If we&#8217;ve reported on you before, we&#8217;d report on you again due to a new alpha/beta rollout, relaunch, financing, or major shift in your business strategy.  If we haven&#8217;t reported on you before, then the service really has to catch my eye. The first thing I look at is the user-interface. Does it look professional? (note, does not mean it has to have a Web 2.0 look. There&#8217;s plenty of crappy Web 2.0ized services out there). Are you pre-beta? (coming to us pre-launch makes a better story and a bigger splash with the TechCrunch crowd) Is there a demo that shows off your service? (preferably we&#8217;re the first press you&#8217;re talking to, so the demo is private). How do you fit in with your competitors? (yes, I know it&#8217;s revolutionizing the web, but you must have some competitors. Lack of competitive analysis doesn&#8217;t look good.) How are you doing things different and maybe better than your competitors? (i.e. Digg and Del.icio.us are both great services, but have different answers to roughly the same problem) What utility are you giving to the users? (is this a fun web app programmed in a weekend or a robust web app that solves a problem?) Finally, how are you planning on monetizing? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been working for TechCrunch for about a month now. Even after a such a short stint I&#8217;ve seen a lot of the good, the bad, and the ugly. So, to help with quality control, I figured I&#8217;d offer a few tips to whoever stumbles upon this article about what kind of news really excites me as a TechCrunch reviewer.  The shortest way to a post is to be one of the big guys (Google, Yahoo, MySpace, Facebook) and have any new products going into or out of beta, preferably alpha.  If you&#8217;re not one of the big guys then we&#8217;ve either reported on you before or you&#8217;re completely new to us. If we&#8217;ve reported on you before, we&#8217;d report on you again due to a new alpha/beta rollout, relaunch, financing, or major shift in your business strategy.  If we haven&#8217;t reported on you before, then the service really has to catch my eye. The first thing I look at is the user-interface. Does it look professional? (note, does not mean it has to have a Web 2.0 look. There&#8217;s plenty of crappy Web 2.0ized services out there). Are you pre-beta? (coming to us pre-launch makes a better story and a bigger splash with the TechCrunch crowd) Is there a demo that shows off your service? (preferably we&#8217;re the first press you&#8217;re talking to, so the demo is private). How do you fit in with your competitors? (yes, I know it&#8217;s revolutionizing the web, but you must have some competitors. Lack of competitive analysis doesn&#8217;t look good.) How are you doing things different and maybe better than your competitors? (i.e. Digg and Del.icio.us are both great services, but have different answers to roughly the same problem) What utility are you giving to the users? (is this a fun web app programmed in a weekend or a robust web app that solves a problem?) Finally, how are you planning on monetizing? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bill.cava.us &#187; A Pulse at StructuredBlogging.org</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-127868</link>
		<dc:creator>bill.cava.us &#187; A Pulse at StructuredBlogging.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Given PubSub&#8217;s role with the launch of structuredblogging.org, questions regarding its future were raised when PubSub went down. I had the pleasure to get to know PubSub co-founder Salim Ismail last week and chatted with him about the state of PubSub and the future of structured blogging. Personally, I have no doubt there is a future for structured blogging, but it certainly seems unclear it&#8217;ll continue in its current form. It&#8217;ll be interesting to watch how structuredblogging.org fits into the picture considering the size of the development communities behind blogging tools like WordPress and the momentum and popularity of Microformats. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Given PubSub&#8217;s role with the launch of structuredblogging.org, questions regarding its future were raised when PubSub went down. I had the pleasure to get to know PubSub co-founder Salim Ismail last week and chatted with him about the state of PubSub and the future of structured blogging. Personally, I have no doubt there is a future for structured blogging, but it certainly seems unclear it&#8217;ll continue in its current form. It&#8217;ll be interesting to watch how structuredblogging.org fits into the picture considering the size of the development communities behind blogging tools like WordPress and the momentum and popularity of Microformats. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Web &#8220;Inside and Out&#8221; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging From A Sinking Ship</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-88377</link>
		<dc:creator>The Web &#8220;Inside and Out&#8221; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging From A Sinking Ship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Regardless of who&#8217;s right, Bob was wrong today,&#8221; wrote Arrington. &#8220;A founder should never try to solve problems by publicly attacking another founder. Who&#8217;s going to step in now and fund or buy the company with all of this incredibly immature drama being thrown about?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Regardless of who&#8217;s right, Bob was wrong today,&#8221; wrote Arrington. &#8220;A founder should never try to solve problems by publicly attacking another founder. Who&#8217;s going to step in now and fund or buy the company with all of this incredibly immature drama being thrown about?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: great-zky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-76839</link>
		<dc:creator>great-zky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all this drama and craziness, what's the word from their current CEO, Gus Spathis? Has he gotten lucky with the pubsub downfall not having any association with his performance, or did Wyman always call the shots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all this drama and craziness, what&#8217;s the word from their current CEO, Gus Spathis? Has he gotten lucky with the pubsub downfall not having any association with his performance, or did Wyman always call the shots?</p>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 - Что нового? Новости интернет проектов &#187; Сооснователь PubSub критикует другого сооснователя&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-75444</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 - Что нового? Новости интернет проектов &#187; Сооснователь PubSub критикует другого сооснователя&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Источник: Techcrunch [...]</description>
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		<title>By: anon4now</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-74927</link>
		<dc:creator>anon4now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great concept but poor execution.

Example: 4 hours after the US team's loss to the Czechs in the World Cup, I searched for "Bruce Arena" on Google News.

They only had 1 story on him after that defeat (they did have several hits about him in stories leading up to that game).

So I tried pubsub.

The phrase "Bruce Arena" returned 0 matches -- so you're telling me that of the millions of sources pubsub is monitoring, not 1 had any mention of the US coach, even before the Czech match?

Ok, this is "monitoring the future" -- the blogosphere was just getting ready to unload on Arena -- so I put that url in my feed reader and waited.

And waited.  And waited.

In each of the 5 days after that game, not 1 hit on "Bruce Arena" -- are you kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great concept but poor execution.</p>
<p>Example: 4 hours after the US team&#8217;s loss to the Czechs in the World Cup, I searched for &#8220;Bruce Arena&#8221; on Google News.</p>
<p>They only had 1 story on him after that defeat (they did have several hits about him in stories leading up to that game).</p>
<p>So I tried pubsub.</p>
<p>The phrase &#8220;Bruce Arena&#8221; returned 0 matches &#8212; so you&#8217;re telling me that of the millions of sources pubsub is monitoring, not 1 had any mention of the US coach, even before the Czech match?</p>
<p>Ok, this is &#8220;monitoring the future&#8221; &#8212; the blogosphere was just getting ready to unload on Arena &#8212; so I put that url in my feed reader and waited.</p>
<p>And waited.  And waited.</p>
<p>In each of the 5 days after that game, not 1 hit on &#8220;Bruce Arena&#8221; &#8212; are you kidding?</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; PubSub 共同ファウンダー敢然と当てこすり</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-73403</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; PubSub 共同ファウンダー敢然と当てこすり</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [原文へ]  DEADPOOL PubSub [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JeanHuguesRobert</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-73103</link>
		<dc:creator>JeanHuguesRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Who’s going to step in now and fund or buy the company with all of this incredibly immature drama being thrown about?"

Another smart guy.

      JeanHuguesRobert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who’s going to step in now and fund or buy the company with all of this incredibly immature drama being thrown about?&#8221;</p>
<p>Another smart guy.</p>
<p>      JeanHuguesRobert</p>
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		<title>By: JeanHuguesRobert</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-73101</link>
		<dc:creator>JeanHuguesRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Who’s going to step in now and fund or buy the company with all of this incredibly immature drama being thrown about?"

Another smart guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who’s going to step in now and fund or buy the company with all of this incredibly immature drama being thrown about?&#8221;</p>
<p>Another smart guy.</p>
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		<title>By: This week on web 2.0 &#124;&#124; kosmar &#124;&#124; Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-73080</link>
		<dc:creator>This week on web 2.0 &#124;&#124; kosmar &#124;&#124; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PubSub, a nice and handy monitoring site, seems to soon go the way of gtalkr, a nice and flashy launchpad site. But for diffrent more unfriendly reasons. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PubSub, a nice and handy monitoring site, seems to soon go the way of gtalkr, a nice and flashy launchpad site. But for diffrent more unfriendly reasons. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-73042</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know either of these two chaps.  But it is never a fun thing these situations.  Both I am sure have their merits for actions taken and I am not going to judge them.

Unfortunately an education on Shareholder Agreements typcially comes at a high price.  And that education comes at the expense of a once "trusted" founder or partner.  

This ... and situations like it are simply sad.  Reasonable people can always come to resolutions with positive dialogue.  When you are dealing with people who are not reasonable or think they work on a different set of rules than you...UGH.   I am with Peter above...you should be initiating things to do what is right - but sometimes you have to walk away and let Karma take care of the bad people ;-) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know either of these two chaps.  But it is never a fun thing these situations.  Both I am sure have their merits for actions taken and I am not going to judge them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately an education on Shareholder Agreements typcially comes at a high price.  And that education comes at the expense of a once &#8220;trusted&#8221; founder or partner.  </p>
<p>This &#8230; and situations like it are simply sad.  Reasonable people can always come to resolutions with positive dialogue.  When you are dealing with people who are not reasonable or think they work on a different set of rules than you&#8230;UGH.   I am with Peter above&#8230;you should be initiating things to do what is right - but sometimes you have to walk away and let Karma take care of the bad people <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-73009</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems pretty sleazy on Bob's part, attacking Salim this way &lt;a href="http://salimismail.com/?p=31" rel="nofollow"&gt;the same day Salim announced he is going out of town&lt;/a&gt; where he will be presumably unreachable ("meditation course"). I guess we'll have to wait until he's back so he can defend himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems pretty sleazy on Bob&#8217;s part, attacking Salim this way <a href="http://salimismail.com/?p=31" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/salimismail.com');">the same day Salim announced he is going out of town</a> where he will be presumably unreachable (&#8221;meditation course&#8221;). I guess we&#8217;ll have to wait until he&#8217;s back so he can defend himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72993</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Jon's impression of their culpability is correct, then the investors and the employees of the company should sue the apparent pepetrators for damaging the company's business interests and lowering its esteem and potential. 

In these days of 'sweat' equity and rewarding 'ideas' with equity participation, when you own something like 39% or y% of a company there is big responsibilty to be fulfiled that must go beyond personalities. Here it seems some in the management have held the chaps who put up the money to ransom with their shenanigans and misplaced arrogance.

The affairs of the company must be thoroughly investigated in public interest since the matter has been purposelfully made public and whether the management has been unduly rewarding itself with high salaries and bonuses must be found out. 

The big loser here is technology and therefore, public good and a situation has been conjured that is detrimental to both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jon&#8217;s impression of their culpability is correct, then the investors and the employees of the company should sue the apparent pepetrators for damaging the company&#8217;s business interests and lowering its esteem and potential. </p>
<p>In these days of &#8217;sweat&#8217; equity and rewarding &#8216;ideas&#8217; with equity participation, when you own something like 39% or y% of a company there is big responsibilty to be fulfiled that must go beyond personalities. Here it seems some in the management have held the chaps who put up the money to ransom with their shenanigans and misplaced arrogance.</p>
<p>The affairs of the company must be thoroughly investigated in public interest since the matter has been purposelfully made public and whether the management has been unduly rewarding itself with high salaries and bonuses must be found out. </p>
<p>The big loser here is technology and therefore, public good and a situation has been conjured that is detrimental to both.</p>
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		<title>By: scott brooks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72990</link>
		<dc:creator>scott brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tragic thing in this is there is no good solution at this point.  Pubsub is a very good idea that should be moving onwards and upwards. Not digging it's own hole. 

This story should serve as a unfolding reminder to all those who are in shareholder agreements. 

The thing that i find weird is that these things usually happen when the walls are crumbling not when thier is rumour of buyouts and growth potential. 

There are three sides to this story Bob's, Salim's and the truth which will fall somewhere inbetween. 

I hope things can pull back togehter ...for my own greedy use of the product ..

cheers 

scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragic thing in this is there is no good solution at this point.  Pubsub is a very good idea that should be moving onwards and upwards. Not digging it&#8217;s own hole. </p>
<p>This story should serve as a unfolding reminder to all those who are in shareholder agreements. </p>
<p>The thing that i find weird is that these things usually happen when the walls are crumbling not when thier is rumour of buyouts and growth potential. </p>
<p>There are three sides to this story Bob&#8217;s, Salim&#8217;s and the truth which will fall somewhere inbetween. </p>
<p>I hope things can pull back togehter &#8230;for my own greedy use of the product ..</p>
<p>cheers </p>
<p>scott</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72965</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the reason it has failed is not because of Salim but because Bob is simply too hard to work with."

Its both. If theres one thing they worked together on, it's destroying pubsub. Both of them are idiots in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the reason it has failed is not because of Salim but because Bob is simply too hard to work with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its both. If theres one thing they worked together on, it&#8217;s destroying pubsub. Both of them are idiots in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72890</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big question! what's one guys good historical performance gonna get vis-a-vis the other's! Is any investor is going to back either of them in the future? They must set aside their quarrel and reverse the wrongs to win back the faith that they can be a good management, individually or collectively. Extremely difficult, not impossible. Maybe that time and opportunity is now lost due to Wyman's public rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big question! what&#8217;s one guys good historical performance gonna get vis-a-vis the other&#8217;s! Is any investor is going to back either of them in the future? They must set aside their quarrel and reverse the wrongs to win back the faith that they can be a good management, individually or collectively. Extremely difficult, not impossible. Maybe that time and opportunity is now lost due to Wyman&#8217;s public rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72860</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salim is trying to protect his investment but Bob is going for the quick sale. Bob's string of lifelong failures to monetize his brilliance tells us a lot about his personality and pyschological makeup. Salim's history of success, on the other hand, tells us a lot about him. Who do you want to believe? The guy who failed to make money from his involvemnt in Lotus Notes and other ground-breaking areas of software and web development; or Salim, who serially picks out good ideas  and makes them a success. It is clear to me that PubSub is a brilliant technology, but that the reason it has failed is not because of Salim but because Bob is simply too hard to work with. The histories of both men tell us a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salim is trying to protect his investment but Bob is going for the quick sale. Bob&#8217;s string of lifelong failures to monetize his brilliance tells us a lot about his personality and pyschological makeup. Salim&#8217;s history of success, on the other hand, tells us a lot about him. Who do you want to believe? The guy who failed to make money from his involvemnt in Lotus Notes and other ground-breaking areas of software and web development; or Salim, who serially picks out good ideas  and makes them a success. It is clear to me that PubSub is a brilliant technology, but that the reason it has failed is not because of Salim but because Bob is simply too hard to work with. The histories of both men tell us a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Anu Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72813</link>
		<dc:creator>Anu Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shit! ugly sordid business. 3 million dollars in debt beyond all the investment and what did they spend it on, considering the negative reports about their ui &#38; engine. 

some of the comments on this post and bob's own reveal the extent of spite between ismail and wyman. interesting to see how much of this debt has piled up since the time ismail left the company &#38; will indicate the truth. 

difficult to believe that a few shareholders will lose their minds and raze their own investment to the ground. so they went berserk purely on a whim or it had something to do with the merger terms is not clear nor will be. and wyman owns 39% of pubsub and makes an accusatory public post that doesn't really sound desperate nor emotional nor does he appear inclined to get the rebel shareholders on his side.. will be interesting to find out if ismail sold out his shares when left or is he still a shareholder? if he still has an equity how does he gain blocking this merger on a whim/anger. is he a rich guy who doesnt care about a few million.

if these guys concentrate their energies on rapproachment there something interesting might still happen to pubsub yet. right now they seem eager to let it all go to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shit! ugly sordid business. 3 million dollars in debt beyond all the investment and what did they spend it on, considering the negative reports about their ui &amp; engine. </p>
<p>some of the comments on this post and bob&#8217;s own reveal the extent of spite between ismail and wyman. interesting to see how much of this debt has piled up since the time ismail left the company &amp; will indicate the truth. </p>
<p>difficult to believe that a few shareholders will lose their minds and raze their own investment to the ground. so they went berserk purely on a whim or it had something to do with the merger terms is not clear nor will be. and wyman owns 39% of pubsub and makes an accusatory public post that doesn&#8217;t really sound desperate nor emotional nor does he appear inclined to get the rebel shareholders on his side.. will be interesting to find out if ismail sold out his shares when left or is he still a shareholder? if he still has an equity how does he gain blocking this merger on a whim/anger. is he a rich guy who doesnt care about a few million.</p>
<p>if these guys concentrate their energies on rapproachment there something interesting might still happen to pubsub yet. right now they seem eager to let it all go to waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Make You Go Hmm: &#187; &#8220;Massive layoffs at PubSub &#8230; shutdown is imminent&#8221; says TechCrunch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72666</link>
		<dc:creator>Make You Go Hmm: &#187; &#8220;Massive layoffs at PubSub &#8230; shutdown is imminent&#8221; says TechCrunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] created that post sooner.&#8221;    save/share/explore: MyWeb&#160;&#124;&#160;del.icio.us&#160;&#124;&#160;digg it! &#124; Sphereit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] created that post sooner.&#8221;    save/share/explore: MyWeb&nbsp;|&nbsp;del.icio.us&nbsp;|&nbsp;digg it! | Sphereit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Life is grand &#187; PubSub !imploding</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/14/pubsub-co-founder-takes-the-gloves-off-digs-hole/#comment-72652</link>
		<dc:creator>Life is grand &#187; PubSub !imploding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [Update] Turns out TechCrunch was not far off the mark. PubSub&#8217;s &#8220;days are numbered&#8221;. A sad turn of events when good technology is wasted not by bad business but by politics. [/Update] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [Update] Turns out TechCrunch was not far off the mark. PubSub&#8217;s &#8220;days are numbered&#8221;. A sad turn of events when good technology is wasted not by bad business but by politics. [/Update] [...]</p>
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