Comments on: Snaptune: Remember recording radio to cassette? http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:02:09 -0800 hourly 1 By: Radio Stations http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-416142 Radio Stations Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:18:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-416142 <strong>Markus...</strong> It was quite useful reading, found some interesting details about this topic. Thanks.... Markus…

It was quite useful reading, found some interesting details about this topic. Thanks….

]]> By: My World…by Joker » Blog Archive » TechCrunch update http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-22992 My World…by Joker » Blog Archive » TechCrunch update Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:11:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-22992 [...] Snaptune One is set to launch this week. It will automatically downloads songs and other content directly from an FM radio to your computer, and add meta data from Amazon and other sources. You can read the article on TechCrunch for more info. What I am wondering is how long it will take for someone like the RIAA or DMCA to challenge their product and claim it’s illegal. [...] [...] Snaptune One is set to launch this week. It will automatically downloads songs and other content directly from an FM radio to your computer, and add meta data from Amazon and other sources. You can read the article on TechCrunch for more info. What I am wondering is how long it will take for someone like the RIAA or DMCA to challenge their product and claim it’s illegal. [...]

]]> By: Philip http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-17245 Philip Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:54:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-17245 FM quality music isn't digital quality music. The RIAA is mostly concerned with making direct digital copies of anything. That's why they are restricting digital radio recording, satellite radio recording, etc. Unless they've decided it is illegal to record to cassette tape for personal use, this shouldn't be different. OTOH, they'd even take our babies if they could figure out a way to do it in court. FM quality music isn’t digital quality music.

The RIAA is mostly concerned with making direct digital copies of anything. That’s why they are restricting digital radio recording, satellite radio recording, etc.

Unless they’ve decided it is illegal to record to cassette tape for personal use, this shouldn’t be different.

OTOH, they’d even take our babies if they could figure out a way to do it in court.

]]> By: Ted http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16957 Ted Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:31:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16957 Is this legal? Is this legal?

]]> By: John Lo http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16927 John Lo Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:00:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16927 I don't know - the legal aspect of this seems questionable - seems that if you can bring an FM played song into digital format (without paying for the song) then how does this differ from illegal file downloading and sharing? If this is 100% ok then the IPOD could do this all day long. Seems this would be problematic right from the start because of the transfer to digital. We are moving in this direction but the free capture of music in a digital format from the radio I would think should have artists/labels worried if there is not protection layer - thanks in advance for any thoughts - I don’t know – the legal aspect of this seems questionable – seems that if you can bring an FM played song into digital format (without paying for the song) then how does this differ from illegal file downloading and sharing? If this is 100% ok then the IPOD could do this all day long. Seems this would be problematic right from the start because of the transfer to digital. We are moving in this direction but the free capture of music in a digital format from the radio I would think should have artists/labels worried if there is not protection layer – thanks in advance for any thoughts -

]]> By: John Handelaar http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16904 John Handelaar Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:39:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16904 "IP protection", indeed. It's probably using TRM fingerprinting. MusicBrainz uses the whole-file version but there's a snippet-capable version available if you pay for it. It can sniff a tune out after 3-10 seconds in most cases. “IP protection”, indeed.

It’s probably using TRM fingerprinting. MusicBrainz uses the whole-file version but there’s a snippet-capable version available if you pay for it.

It can sniff a tune out after 3-10 seconds in most cases.

]]> By: Gerald Buckley http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16903 Gerald Buckley Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:10:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16903 There's a company here in Tulsa leasing rack space all around the US that monitors ALL AM and FM frequencies and reports back what was played, when, etc. presumably for payment processing. Been doing it for a couple of years... So, there's no real secret IP sauce in being able to do it. Just proprietary implementations is all. There’s a company here in Tulsa leasing rack space all around the US that monitors ALL AM and FM frequencies and reports back what was played, when, etc. presumably for payment processing. Been doing it for a couple of years… So, there’s no real secret IP sauce in being able to do it. Just proprietary implementations is all.

]]> By: Arjun http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16883 Arjun Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:34:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16883 sure...it's a nice site. but who's really going to use it? i listen to the radio when i have one, but when i'm at my computer i have a million better things to listen to - my own music, itunes radio, and kexp.org for starters. i'm not going to go out of my way to listen to the radio on my computer. sure…it’s a nice site. but who’s really going to use it? i listen to the radio when i have one, but when i’m at my computer i have a million better things to listen to – my own music, itunes radio, and kexp.org for starters. i’m not going to go out of my way to listen to the radio on my computer.

]]> By: giffo http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16875 giffo Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:59:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16875 Blaze: I dont want to give them any credit but I suspect the likes of DMCA has been planning for something like this for some time. Blaze: I dont want to give them any credit but I suspect the likes of DMCA has been planning for something like this for some time.

]]> By: Blaze http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16850 Blaze Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:43:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16850 I really cant wait to see what happens with this and DMCA becuase someone is sure to kick up a stink about this sort of thing if it gets popular enough. I really cant wait to see what happens with this and DMCA becuase someone is sure to kick up a stink about this sort of thing if it gets popular enough.

]]> By: giffo http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16829 giffo Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:03:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16829 whats wrong with streamripper? whats wrong with streamripper?

]]> By: Jack Thorogood http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16810 Jack Thorogood Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:21:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16810 Re. Marcus & Saul's 'Legal Ramification' points, theoretically it's no different from radio recorded to tape - the end result (a copy of a song from the radio) is the same. The only potential fly in the ointment is that in the US the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) has been introduced since the demise of tape recording. If the DMCA is only used to stop an increase in potential methods of infringing, snaptune should be fine. If the RIAA or someone tries to regress to a position similar to music recording BEFORE even tapes were used to make copies, it's a whole different ball game. If they went for this approach they'd be even more pilloried than they are at the moment and it would also open the whole 'Sony Betamax' can of worms (which would suggest such a service is legally acceptable.) My guess is they've got bigger battles to fight. Re. Marcus & Saul’s ‘Legal Ramification’ points, theoretically it’s no different from radio recorded to tape – the end result (a copy of a song from the radio) is the same. The only potential fly in the ointment is that in the US the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) has been introduced since the demise of tape recording.

If the DMCA is only used to stop an increase in potential methods of infringing, snaptune should be fine. If the RIAA or someone tries to regress to a position similar to music recording BEFORE even tapes were used to make copies, it’s a whole different ball game.

If they went for this approach they’d be even more pilloried than they are at the moment and it would also open the whole ‘Sony Betamax’ can of worms (which would suggest such a service is legally acceptable.)

My guess is they’ve got bigger battles to fight.

]]> By: piet http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16798 piet Mon, 06 Mar 2006 08:18:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16798 sounds nice so far. the thing i don't like about it is that you're still stuck to analog radio sources. there are products and services out there that do the same thing with online radio streams (as the Webradio Recorder from Magix, for example, http://site.magix.net/english-us/home/music/webradio-recorder/). ok, there you've got initial costs, but then you can even search for your favorite artist or song within a stream... sounds nice so far. the thing i don’t like about it is that you’re still stuck to analog radio sources. there are products and services out there that do the same thing with online radio streams (as the Webradio Recorder from Magix, for example, http://site.mag...radio-recorder/).

ok, there you’ve got initial costs, but then you can even search for your favorite artist or song within a stream…

]]> By: Saul Weiner http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16790 Saul Weiner Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:43:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16790 How easy is it to set up the hardware and software? Is it 'installation for dummies'? Also, are there any legal ramifications of this service? Rgardless, seems like a great idea. How easy is it to set up the hardware and software? Is it ‘installation for dummies’?

Also, are there any legal ramifications of this service?

Rgardless, seems like a great idea.

]]> By: Orli Yakuel http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16785 Orli Yakuel Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:29:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16785 god, nostalgia! you just have to love it.. i still have some of cassettes at my house. i guss it's better for me not to reveal the names of the band ;) the fun stuff was to roll the spool and that the fingers always stuck inside it :) btw neat site!! god, nostalgia! you just have to love it..
i still have some of cassettes at my house. i guss it’s better for me not to reveal the names of the band ;)
the fun stuff was to roll the spool and that the fingers always stuck inside it :)

btw neat site!!

]]> By: Bri http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16781 Bri Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:14:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16781 This is eerily reminiscent of Xenote. This is eerily reminiscent of Xenote.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16780 Marcus Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:08:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16780 Is this entirely legal? Wouldn't one need permnission from the holder master recording holder in order to make a digital copy of it? Nevertheless, it's very cool. Is this entirely legal? Wouldn’t one need permnission from the holder master recording holder in order to make a digital copy of it?

Nevertheless, it’s very cool.

]]> By: sebz http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16772 sebz Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:50:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16772 You said it's PC only, but it's really Windows only. It's still sad to see how much windows == pc for too many people. You said it’s PC only, but it’s really Windows only. It’s still sad to see how much windows == pc for too many people.

]]> By: Gary Culliss http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16768 Gary Culliss Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:29:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16768 This is a lot like Radio Shark. See: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/radioshark/ It's also a bit like the failed (for legal reasons) BitBop tuner from AudioMill: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/03/20/audiomill/print.html It's a good idea and will get better with digital receivers... This is a lot like Radio Shark. See:
http://www.grif...cts/radioshark/

It’s also a bit like the failed (for legal reasons) BitBop tuner from AudioMill:
http://archive....mill/print.html

It’s a good idea and will get better with digital receivers…

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16759 Michael Arrington Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:43:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16759 wow, now that I think about it, neither have I. I remember using cassette's to store data way, way back... wow, now that I think about it, neither have I.

I remember using cassette’s to store data way, way back…

]]> By: Eric Willis http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16758 Eric Willis Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:40:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16758 I haven't even seen a cassette in years.. I haven’t even seen a cassette in years..

]]> By: Jonathan Chum http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16753 Jonathan Chum Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:26:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16753 hehe, those were the days :) hehe, those were the days :)

]]> By: Zoli Erdos http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/comment-page-1/#comment-16746 Zoli Erdos Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:43:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/03/05/remember-recording-radio-to-cassette/#comment-16746 "Remember recording radio to cassette?" haha, the entire household (my parents) were terrorized, I recorded from a portable radio to a portable cassette recorder over the built-in microphone, so everyone had to stay in silence :-) “Remember recording radio to cassette?” haha, the entire household (my parents) were terrorized, I recorded from a portable radio to a portable cassette recorder over the built-in microphone, so everyone had to stay in silence :-)

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