Foldera: Never organize your inbox again

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1. Liam @ Web 2.5 Blog
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 9:31 pm

   I’m scratching my head over the new crop of web office sites (JotSpot, gOffice, Writely, et al). In the late 90’s a ton of these outfits came and went, and many of them offered nice stuff. The early adopters raved, and the mass market shrugged.

   The problem wasn’t the lack of AJAX… Users, especially corporate workgroup types who really need better tools, don’t go for the idea of renting their own data — and losing access to it if something unexpected happens to the net, the ASP, or the billing system.

   People point to salesforce.com as a booming ASP success, overlooking the fact that they benefited immensely from the flameout at Siebel.

   Here’s a list of ASPs, compiled in mid-2000, that apply to law practice, horizontally or vertically. Where are they now? http://www.americanbar.org/scotis/vol2no1.html

2. Gareth
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:05 pm

   I love the concept, but like many web2.0 projects dont quite get the context. Personally, I would probably not use the product, but professionally (in my work as a psychologist) the concept of being able to neatly organize research, clinical, project material is a powerful one. Why is it that few web2.0 start-ups develop in the context of specific industries, e.g., build the product to serve a specific industry. It always seems the case that the generic idea is great but application is limited. Plus us psychologists have no idea about this stuff.

3. Zoli Erdos
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:14 pm

   I haven’t tried Foldera yet, so hopefully my concern will prove to be wrong. But FOLDERS? In 2006? The whole idea behind gmail labeling is that any object can belong to multiple groups. I don’t mind calling them folders, as long as items within (email, appointment..ect) can also belong to other “virtual” folders. If you have to duplicate objects to assign them to a second / third folder, then it’s just another Outlook nightmare dressed differently.

   And reverse merger, OTC trading? Yuck:-(

4. Zoli Erdos
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:15 pm

   Btw, Mike, you’re supposed to be on vacation :-))

5. Diwaker
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:16 pm

   Mike,

   This sounds *exactly* like Joyent [1]. Their connector suite build around the same concepts — except the use the more generic “tag” mechanism to group related items together.

   Supports email, calendars, IM, files. Specially designed around teams — so you can tag something, and it will magically appear in your team member’s special folders and so on.

   Check out the screeshots [2] and the getting started guide [3].

   [1] http://joyent.com
   [2] http://joyent.com/product/screenshots
   [3] http://joyent.com/product/getting-started

6. Jie Kang
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:24 pm

   So they(Foldera) need to change user behavior and habits for their app to work? That’s tough for a startup.

7. anon
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:28 pm

   I like the idea of staying organized by keeping related information and documents together. What I don’t like is the fact that you’re limited to and constrained within their application. Sure, it’s AJAXified and you can access it from anywhere. But if you’re at work all day - wouldn’t the rich-client goodness of Outlook keep you more productive?

   The successful product won’t try to combine all forms of communication and knowledge creation into some uber-interface. It should instead integrate nicely with whatever tools the user is used to. It should try be an aggregator, not a centralizer. It should provide the best UI experience possible depending on the device accessing it.

8. anthropocentric
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 10:38 pm

   Sounds too complex, ambitious, disruptive. And if its not they’ve got some work to do to make it seem like its not.

9. Helder
   

   February 20th, 2006 at 11:50 pm

   It indeed sounds too ambitious and centralizing to me. It’d be great, instead, to have some mashup kind of thing where you can integrate, say, your meebo (along with chat history), calendarhub and all the atomized parts of this big thing they are proposing, with the benefit of users already being used to them.

   For instance, they wouldn’t have to trade their IMs for yet another new one (I think people are getting a bit sick of that already).

   And of course all those atomized parts would be full of options and you could drag them around and choose to use one or another, or none.

   And I have to agree with Zoli Erdos on this: FOLDERS?? COme on.

10. Helder
    

    February 20th, 2006 at 11:54 pm

    Oh yes, and when I say “trade their IMs for yet another one” of course I mean trading the *client*, since most everyone now supports all kinds of networks.

11. Michael Arrington
    

    February 20th, 2006 at 11:54 pm

    Based on the early comments, I may not have done the best job in describing this fairly complicated product. But honestly, its pretty awesome. My plan would be to pop or imap in my existing techcrunch email. Whenever I email or IM with a company, it will automatically go into the appropriate company folder. This could save me 30-40 mins per day of filing.

12. Michael Griffith
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 12:17 am

    that’s a helluva lot of money for something not even open yet. awesome!

13. Shrikant Joshi
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 1:34 am

    I like to initiate a li’l survey here:

    “How many of us think there could be a stronger, better, more contextual alternative to eMail in the near future?”

    I’d appreciate some honest answers

    Regards,
    Shri.

14. Redford
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 2:36 am

    that looks incredibly complicated.

15. Trenton Djerzi
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 2:45 am

    The MailSpaces product from Kinomi seems to do a better job of organising using natural language techniques, without changing user behavior. It also has the advantage of being client agnostic.

    On the other hand, it only organises email and RSS, whereas this seems to bring together more applications

16. Tom Mandel
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 4:21 am

    Hey, two days off is *not* a vacation, Mike.

17. Carlos Leyva
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 4:23 am

    Take this idea and add matter management and time & billing and you have the making of a “killer app” for law firms. Extend it in a slightly different way (i.e. adding basic business functionality) and you have “killer app” for Realtors. Make everything “web-bootable” and you have Web 2.0 coming to life in a huge way!

    Someone is likely to buy this company, and in fairly short order, probably Google!

18. Andrew
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 4:31 am

    Hi

    I’d just like to say that the “idea of staying organized by keeping related information and documents together” is not a new one. There are people around who have been doing this for ages - they are called records managers and archivists, aka information managers.
    There are a number of existing applications that already do this stuff - they just don’t exist yet as web apps.

19. Nameless One
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 5:26 am

    This looks terrible. Nothing more than a “nice try” in the graveyard of failed web ideas.

20. Dennis D. McDonald
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 7:05 am

    This sounds like a great app. But unless I’m missing something, this is going to require a LOT of bandwidth and desktop memory/processor resources to work effectively. And the longer something takes to load and do its thing, the more liley a network event will cause a problem.

    I agree with the comments about developing something like this for vertical markets, though. A lot of folks are going to be folder-centric for a long, long time, and that bodes well for this type of product.

21. DrBigFresh....
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 7:37 am

    These types of services really need to realize that in this mobile centric world, not providing synch support for PocketPCs or Palms is insane. If I can’t access the data sitting in my car or in another country where there is no WIFI then it does me no good…

22. Helder
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 10:35 am

    Shrikant Joshi:

    “Stronger, better” are somewhat vague characteristics, but I put some thought on the “more contextual” idea and, yes, I think there’s a whole lot of room in that part yet.

    A good step in that direction would be a generalized coComment sort of thing, that would blend into email and allow for a a seamless integration of all (or most of) our text communication on the web.

    I’ve posted about that if you want to take a closer look.

23. Mack D. Male
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 11:09 am

    The problem is, I don’t want to have to run special software or visit a website to be able to do this! Once we have a database layer on top of the filesystem itself, these kinds of things (organizing data by project, or by team, etc) become trivial.

    When Windows Vista has WinFS alive and well, there’ll be no reason to switch from the applications you’re currently using, and hopefully they’ll all be improved as well!

24. Dave P
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 11:39 am

    @Shri:

    There already is, it’s called Instant Messaging.

    Look at what kids are using these days, some of them barely touch email anymore.

    Look at gmail’s new chat abilities, recording conversations and sharing web and pc interfaces as one.

    There’s your “better stronger email” right there.

25. Matt Lehrer
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 12:06 pm

    The stock is rocking, up 18% today. Also, they changed the ticker to FDRA. Very interested in getting a demo.

26. Steve
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 12:21 pm

    Its hard to have a product that takes a lot of work to use but i still think the idea is cool.

27. Andre
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 12:30 pm

    Great idea…something I’ve been thinking about for some time and wished existed. This product depends on its usability though since it’s just a usability project.

    But a risky venture as people noted. Adoption in high tech industries may be high but I don’t know about the rest…

    For smaller organizations this could be useful if it helps with “organization”… even simple things like the taxonomy of documents.

28. pwb
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 1:19 pm

    Having an Ajax view into Outlook/Exchange is nice but I would never want to work all day in an Ajax app for email, calendaring and IM.

    And who is doing a reverse merger onto the OTC in eary ‘06 with VCs throwing cash at anything with a pulse? Creepy.

29. Mario Rodrigues
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 3:03 pm

    I think the concept can work. If you focus on mail and calendar, then I think it would be a hard sell because Outlook does that well.

    I have a similar product - DashboardXM, but our plan is to break it out into specific industries/uses and market it that way - e.g. IT Developers, Sales, Small Offices, Law Firms, etc.

30. Carlos Leyva
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 3:03 pm

    Only a player like Google has the market clout to unseat MS Office via a Web 2.0 based office. If the “gang” at foldera have got this piece right they are a likely target (which no doubt is what they are hoping for). You will not trust this much of your business to a company that may be the next road kill story (small business might bite but they share some of the same concerns as the big boys).

    With respect to the ASP model that is only one “hosting” alternative there are others where you (the user) have more control & still get everything as a “web-bootable” offering. Katrina wreaked havoc on law firms in New Orleans, had their infrastructure been “web-bootable” and hosted at s site that had a “hot site” available in another city, they might have been back in business within hours and not months–with all their client data preserved. The disaster that no one thought would happen, happened, and it will happen again.

31. Blaze
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 6:19 pm

    This looks absolutely fantastic. I could really see this working for me.

    I can only just hope they have a Intranet version that you can host yourself.

    Also I dont even mind the name of this company as opposed to the other debauchey of names that sound like characters out of sesame street.

    These guys are on the right track though. This will work depending on how they target it.

32. Chrono Cr@cker
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 6:43 pm

    Interesting man, but would you really call this a web2.0 product? And the concept is not wholly new!

33. Mark Johnson
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 6:59 pm

    Hmmm. I agree and want to reiterate that folders are the bane of my existence. I ceased using folders after I realized that filing an e-mail made it harder to find. Now, I use mnemonic devices like who the e-mail came from or approximately what date. Tagging seems more interesting to me, because it allows for the possibility for multiple “folders.” All you really need is a good search app for your e-mail. . .

34. Shrikant Joshi
    

    February 21st, 2006 at 9:25 pm

    @Dave:
    Disagree. IM is a substitue but not an alternatve.

    How many times have you lost an eMail because it was filtered as Spam?

    Am IM contains everything fron legitimate work to inane peer chats. Agreed you can search for it and retrieve it in an “instant”, but are you willing to spend that much time?

    Yeah, you can keep personal and corporate eMail addresses separate, but that means double the work and double the spam, right?

    Have we become so dependent on eMail that we cannot think of an *alternative*? Simply because the pros have become a necessity, do we ignore the cons?

35. Hartmut
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 12:31 am

    Folders in 2006???

36. futuromax
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 5:45 am

    Flodera looks interesting indeed if it could work crossplatform adn be integrated in for ex google. Can anybody of you experts in the field point out which are the existing apps that could do the trick as of today, and which you think will prevail… of thsoe in preparation.

    Thank you

37. riordan
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 6:13 am

    You know, search is a wonderful thing when you know what you are looking for but search is uselesss for browsing. Haven’t you ever just gone through your email because you knew you were supposed to do “something” but couldn’t recall exactly what? How would search work for that?

    Besides, search, as powerful as it is, even Google’s iteration, does not lend itself to everything. You don’t believe me?

    Okay, imagine, if you will…

    Shopping at Google Grocery.

    search don’t sort. the past is near the tuna which was ranked higher than the pears because there were more links er…shoppers with higher authority (read bigger checkout tickets) that bought tuna and pasta than tuna and pears…and in spite of the fact that…

    No thank you very much. A well sorted grocery store works just fine for me. I only search for things that are either lost or when I never had their location originally…

38. garyedwards
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 10:46 am

    Sounds like an AJAX version of IBM’s WorkPlace. Everything in WorkPlace is organized around “Projects”. A project could be a workflow or some other business process. Each project can have resources such as people, which are simply dragged into the project space from a contact management list. Same with Documents, eMail, IM, spreadsheets, presentations, graphics etc. These are information resources. Every project of course has a calendar with a time line of events, due dates, activity reviews etc. What happens underneath WorkPlace though is that all information resources are converted on the fly to the OpenDocument XML file format. This enables an easy information exchange when the WrokPlace Projects are collaboratively connected to IBM Server side systems. WorkPlace is hard wired with accelerators into WebSphere, Lotus Notes, DB2 and Oracle backends. This creates an easy to engage workflow - collaborative processing model. At the recent SCALE 4X conference IBM demonstrated the first interactive ODF AJAX engine. My guess is that this engine could be the core of a Web 2.0 enabled WorkPlace interface, able to resolve the activity between WorkPlace desktops and Server side services. By moving everything to OpenDocument, WorkPlace unleashes a whole new way of working with self contained, self descriptive highly structured information. They are changing both the interface and method of workign with volumes of information as well as the information itself. A good thing i think. For their sake, I hope Foldera is paying attention.

39. pwb
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 10:59 am

    Raise your hand if you use IBM Workplace.

    Didn’t think so.

40. Christian
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 12:41 pm

    The interface looks too cluttered for my taste but looks promising.

41. Jon
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    You people should put your inane remarks on hold for a minute and buy some of the OC stock. Its market cap is over 90 million today- if you don’t buy now, you’re going to miss the boat as it soars past 200 million.

    I’m wondering if their ‘real’ business model isn’t something like:
    - build a decent product around a web 2.0 concept
    - go public on an OC exchange
    - pump up the company with high profile coverage
    - let the stock run up by 50 million in valuation
    - enable all the original investors to sell for a 10x gain before the OC stock peaks

    By the way, this may be the first time that TechCrunch has added $20mil in start-up valuation…

42. Jim Grandy
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pm

    This sounds identical to Shared Projects in Entourage 2004 (part of Microsoft Office for the Macintosh). Automatic filing into a project folder, aggregation of different item types into a single folder, sharing of project folders between project team members. It’s all there!

43. Richard Lusk
    

    February 22nd, 2006 at 5:47 pm

    Hi all,

    This is Richard Lusk; I’m the CEO and Founder of Foldera.

    First of all, I just wanted to say thanks to each and every one of you for taking the time to read Mike’s post and then share your thoughts with us and everyone else. For those of you that have complimented us, thank you so much, that’s why we are doing this. For those of you that made critical comments, you raised some good points, so I would like to address each of them.

    Lets jump right in:

    “People point to salesforce.com as a booming ASP success, overlooking the fact that they benefited immensely from the flameout at Siebel”-Wasn’t Salesforce.com partially to blame for the flameout at Siebel? Mark Benioff sure thinks so.

    “All I can say is that Office Live may have some really serious competition coming its way”-Thanks, what a great compliment! We will work really hard to be deserving of it.

    “Why is it that few web2.0 start-ups develop in the context of specific industries, e.g., build the product to serve a specific industry”-Great point. We are already developing Foldera for specific industry groups. Please take a look at the FAQ on our website entitled-Who’s it for? http://www.foldera.com/faq.htm

    “Folders in 2006?”
    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=313379
    Hey what can I say?-people love folders.

    “This sounds *exactly* like Joyent”-Joyent is definitely cool and worth checking out, but on the Joyent site they go on to say-“after applying a tag to an email message, you can apply the same tag to events and files related to that message” That’s a key difference here-With Joyent YOU are the one doing all the work, with Foldera , Foldera does all the work so you don’t have too. Oh yeah, Foldera is free, and Joyent is not free. You brought it up.

    “So they (Foldera) need to change user behavior and habits for their app to work? That’s tough for a startup”-Nope Foldera is all about folders, email and im, stuff you already know how to use.

    “It should try be an aggregator, not a centralizer”-We are trying to be both. Stay tuned.

    “Sounds too complex, ambitious, disruptive”-We think that Foldera is really easy to use already, but if it’s not, with input from you, we will make it better. Ambitious and disruptive? Yes, and Yes. MySpace, Google, Skype and countless others are ambitious and disruptive too.

    “if only they were a desktop application”-Great suggestion- please stay tuned.

    “that’s a helluva lot of money for something not even open yet. awesome!”
    Thanks, investors that have seen Foldera in action, voted with their dollars.

    “How many of us think there could be a stronger, better, more contextual alternative to eMail in the near future?”-My hand is up.

    “Tools like Foldera are just another version of what we already have. You don’t like filtering? Well let’s make an application which that a little bit easier:”-Making your life easier and saving time. That’s the whole point behind Foldera.

    “that looks incredibly complicated”-Go ahead and try it and you’ll see how easy it is too use.

    “(Kinomi) only organises email and RSS, whereas this seems to bring together more applications”-Yep

    “Someone is likely to buy this company, and in fairly short order, probably Google!”-We are not going to comment on rumors

    “There are people around who have been doing this for ages - they are called records managers and archivists, aka information managers. There are a number of existing applications that already do this stuff - they just don’t exist yet as web apps” Again-That’s the point. Foldera does the organizing, so you don’t have to, and because Foldera is web based, you can get your stuff from wherever you are.

    “This looks terrible. Nothing more than a “nice try” in the graveyard of failed web ideas.”-Well if it is, at least we can say we put our heart and soul into trying to make it easier for you to organize your applications, teams, projects and information from wherever you are.

    “the idea is a huge improvement. No longer would the documents for a particular project or matter be scattered amongst various different application folders”-That’s right, and it works the same way for email, tasks, and events too

    “A lot of folks are going to be folder-centric for a long, long time, and that bodes well for this type of product”- Agreed.

    “in this mobile centric world, not providing synch support for PocketPCs or Palms is insane” Point taken.

    “I don’t want to have to run special software or visit a website to be able to do this”-No downloads are required to use Foldera, so we won’t mess with your pc-And if you don’t like web apps, that’s cool, Foldera is not for everyone.

    “The stock is rocking”- Definitely no comment.

    “And who is doing a reverse merger onto the OTC in eary ‘06 with VCs throwing cash at anything with a pulse?” Who?-Smart investors that want a built in exit strategy and smart management that wants to own most of the company post funding.

    “The Foldera gang are hoping to have the app flipped to Google within 6 weeks of its release”-C-‘mon, we never said that. Please save these types of comments for the stock message boards.

    “The disaster that no one thought would happen, happened, and it will happen again”-Disasters happen, and when they do-your information is safe and secure in our data centers.

    “This looks absolutely fantastic. I could really see this working for me.”-Thanks, I use it every day, and it works for me.

    “All you really need is a good search app for your e-mail” Yeah search is great, but you can’t browse with just search.

    “search is uselesss for browsing” –Hey, that’s what I said.

    “Sounds like an AJAX version of IBM’s WorkPlace”-With Workplace the user is burdened with sorting, filing and organizing their work by hand. The user also has to spend money buying hardware, software and deal with ongoing maintenance issues and expenses. In contrast, Foldera does the sorting and filing for you automatically, we take care of everything, and it’s free.

    “You people should put your inane remarks on hold for a minute and buy some of the OC stock”-C’mon, not here. Again, there are stock message boards for these types of comments. Please go there.

    Thanks again to all of you for your comments, criticisms and suggestions. We really appreciate the feedback. I’ll circle back here again after each of you has had a chance to take Foldera for a spin, to see what you think. Best of luck to you all, and thanks for your interest in Foldera.

    Richard

44. bzzzz
    

    February 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 am

    This is interesting but the office for Mac already has this feature. You can easily create projects and organize all information (docs, ppt, excel, emails, contacts, calendar events) under projects. THe project view allows you to view things that are related and it also automatically creates a desktop folder shortcut to store all the related information. I think MS will roll this into the regular Office for the PCs.

    I think another startup Kubi had done something similar a while back.

    My biggest problem with this site is most of the information published is unvetted. It is almost like you are looking to publish 2/3 entires on the blog everyday without proper analysis. It almost looks like a hype site for anything new on the web with little quality control.

45. John
    

    February 23rd, 2006 at 6:07 am

    Looks nice but I hope that they allow tagging/categories… and what’s with priorities on tasks? That is waaaay 90’s (40’s actually). Read Getting Things Done and find out why prorities are silly.

46. Amsterdam
    

    February 28th, 2006 at 7:27 am

    Beautiful but not new; a Dutch company I know, Xoffice International, (www.xoffice.nl) is already supporting this including OTA sync to any smartphone or PDA…..
    including backup and ASP licence.

47. Rishi
    

    March 5th, 2006 at 12:47 pm

    Hi

    Just one question, are they going to offer POP/IMAP with this or is it just web-based ?

48. Tony
    

    March 9th, 2006 at 12:46 pm

    Xoffice doesn’t seem to have one key feature….the ability to organize. Unless I’m missing somthing Foldera has the ability to automatically organize based on citeria the user sets. I don’t think anyone else can do that?

49. Lorayne
    

    April 6th, 2006 at 4:16 pm

    $70 million and they haven’t even launched yet!!!!!!!!! I must be doing something wrong, i should change my day job :/

50. wes
    

    April 13th, 2006 at 4:14 pm

    Any update on Foldera’s launch on April 15th? Is that still their plan?

    I’m surprised there hasn’t been much news about Foldera the past couple of weeks on sites like Techcrunch, Digg, etc.

51. Ethan
    

    April 17th, 2006 at 7:06 am

    Missing a launch date and not even giving an excuse for it? They must be on vacation with that investment money.

52. Rishi
    

    April 19th, 2006 at 12:17 am

    I just got an email from Foldera that they might open the doors in about a few weeks time.

    Here is the email -

    In late January Foldera was profiled on TechCrunch and thus began a firestorm of interest and conversation within the blogosphere that culminated with our first public demonstration of Foldera at the ETech 2006 conference in early March. From the moment we opened the website to accept registrations for our beta right up through today the response has been absolutely unprecedented.

    We’ve been completely blown away by your demand for and interest in Foldera. As gratifying as all this attention and demand has been, however, they do present some challenges.

    To put it simply, we didn’t have the firepower in our datacenter to handle the sort of demand indicated by so many registrations. The last thing we wanted to do was under-serve you our users -so we’ve been working like mad days, nights, even weekends to move additional hardware into the datacenter so we could be certain we had the infrastructure required to handle the load in a responsible way.

    This also gave us additional time to continue to refine the GUI based upon your suggestions and we think you’ll really like the results. Within several weeks we intend to begin releasing substantial numbers of account credentials in a staggered cycle based on the order in which you signed up. Hopefully you understand and will be patient just a little longer.

    We’re just as anxious as you are to get Foldera out of development and into your hands, we can’t wait to hear how Foldera works for you.

    Sincerely,
    Richard Lusk
    CEO/Founder Foldera

53. Samer Bazzi
    

    July 10th, 2006 at 9:14 am

    Check out this new web based IM client built using AJAX. Messenger provides access to your favorite IM clients via a browser, messenger services include AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo!, IRC and many more.

54. Brian
    

    September 13th, 2006 at 11:39 pm

    Has anyone gotten access to this yet? The last posts here are from April!

55. Steve
    

    September 15th, 2006 at 10:07 am

    Yes, I too am wondering why the SILENCE on the product. Why hasn’t anyone using the Beta commented about the product????

56. TB
    

    September 27th, 2006 at 6:04 pm

    Stock Temple has researched Foldera — for all of those who want to know more about the company…

57. RJ
    

    October 30th, 2006 at 7:45 am

    Where is Foldera? When is the Web2.0 world going to get a real glimpse of Foldera, beyond the apparent veil of ’secrecy’!! Anyone been able to try and test Foldera??

58. RJ
    

    November 18th, 2006 at 9:18 am

    No one?? Does that mean, no one has received a beta even???

59. George Scott
    

    January 4th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    I signed up for a beta months ago, no login information yet. If you want to use a system similar to Foldera and free then go to http://www.officezilla.com.