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	<title>Comments on: Intuit&#8217;s Zipingo Joins Local Business Review Sites</title>
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		<title>By: worldkontor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-2730236</link>
		<dc:creator>worldkontor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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Nice very accurate</description>
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		<title>By: Education</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-2617852</link>
		<dc:creator>Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that nearing seems counter intuitive for you are competing with the likes of Google seek also yahoo search. What unaccompanied needs to perform is pride a adjustment to perform juice those hunt results at the selfsame hope providing an larger weight to the businesses listed (i.e. towering listings, maps, besides altered tools). This equal preponderance augmented enhances the serviceability to the consumer owing to well.</p>
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		<title>By: South Carolina Videographer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-2507440</link>
		<dc:creator>South Carolina Videographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this page.. Looks like Zipingo is dead now!!  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this page.. Looks like Zipingo is dead now!!  <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angry Businesses Organize Anti-Yelp Websites. This Is A Sure Sign Of Their Success. &#124; NewsMeToday</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-2398509</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Businesses Organize Anti-Yelp Websites. This Is A Sure Sign Of Their Success. &#124; NewsMeToday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of new competition, with Judy&#8217;s Book receiving an $8 million round in November 2005, Intuit releasing Zipingo in October 2005, and idealab&#8217;s Insider Pages receiving a cool $8.5 million Series A in March [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of new competition, with Judy&#8217;s Book receiving an $8 million round in November 2005, Intuit releasing Zipingo in October 2005, and idealab&#8217;s Insider Pages receiving a cool $8.5 million Series A in March [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 怒れる企業、アンチYelpウェブサイトを結成。これこそYelpの成功の確たる証拠</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-2396270</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; 怒れる企業、アンチYelpウェブサイトを結成。これこそYelpの成功の確たる証拠</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bookが$8M（800万ドル）のラウンドを調達し、2005年10月にはIntuitがZipingoをリリース、また、2006年3月にはidealabのInsider [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bookが$8M（800万ドル）のラウンドを調達し、2005年10月にはIntuitがZipingoをリリース、また、2006年3月にはidealabのInsider [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Businesses Organize Anti-Yelp Websites. This Is A Sure Sign Of Their Success.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-2395736</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Businesses Organize Anti-Yelp Websites. This Is A Sure Sign Of Their Success.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of new competition, with Judy&#8217;s Book receiving an $8 million round in November 2005, Intuit releasing Zipingo in October 2005, and idealab&#8217;s Insider Pages receiving a cool $8.5 million Series A in March [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of new competition, with Judy&#8217;s Book receiving an $8 million round in November 2005, Intuit releasing Zipingo in October 2005, and idealab&#8217;s Insider Pages receiving a cool $8.5 million Series A in March [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cesare</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-1770204</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Page D...&lt;/strong&gt;

Home. A little about me. Almost everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask
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<p>Home. A little about me. Almost everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask<br />
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		<title>By: Intuit Shuts Down Zipingo. Yelp Winning This Space Through Attrition</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-1571136</link>
		<dc:creator>Intuit Shuts Down Zipingo. Yelp Winning This Space Through Attrition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the small business review site launched by Intuit in late 2005, shuts down. The message above is all that remains on the site. Without coming right out and saying [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the small business review site launched by Intuit in late 2005, shuts down. The message above is all that remains on the site. Without coming right out and saying [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yelp API Released &#124; Tekjuice.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-1533039</link>
		<dc:creator>Yelp API Released &#124; Tekjuice.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a total of $16 million in capital from Bessemer and Benchmark over two rounds. Competitors include Intuit&#8217;s Zipingo and Insider Pages, which was acquired by Citysearch earlier this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a total of $16 million in capital from Bessemer and Benchmark over two rounds. Competitors include Intuit&rsquo;s Zipingo and Insider Pages, which was acquired by Citysearch earlier this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yelp API Released</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-1532989</link>
		<dc:creator>Yelp API Released</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a total of $16 million in capital from Bessemer and Benchmark over two rounds. Competitors include Intuit&#8217;s Zipingo and Insider Pages, which was acquired by Citysearch earlier this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a total of $16 million in capital from Bessemer and Benchmark over two rounds. Competitors include Intuit&#8217;s Zipingo and Insider Pages, which was acquired by Citysearch earlier this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfgang42</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-1149695</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rise of the rating sites goes on (see http://www.ratingparadise.com), enabling a shift in the power equation: from the power of marketing machineries to customer experience and word-of-mouth influence. Value for customers is generated and the better providers are awarded!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rise of the rating sites goes on (see <a href="http://www.ratingparadise.com)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.ratingparadise.com'>http://www.ratingparadise.com</a>), enabling a shift in the power equation: from the power of marketing machineries to customer experience and word-of-mouth influence. Value for customers is generated and the better providers are awarded!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Layoffs At Insider Pages</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-683649</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Layoffs At Insider Pages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The company, which is funded by Sequoia, Softbank and idealab, seems to be unable to keep up with the growth of competitor Yelp (and others) in this crowded space. Both Alexa and Google Trends suggest Yelp is the only company with any traction right now. Other companies doing something similar include Judy&#8217;s Book, Zipingo and Riffs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The company, which is funded by Sequoia, Softbank and idealab, seems to be unable to keep up with the growth of competitor Yelp (and others) in this crowded space. Both Alexa and Google Trends suggest Yelp is the only company with any traction right now. Other companies doing something similar include Judy&#8217;s Book, Zipingo and Riffs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Multimedias.mobi &#187; Big Layoffs At Insider Pages</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-679551</link>
		<dc:creator>Multimedias.mobi &#187; Big Layoffs At Insider Pages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The company, which is funded by Sequoia, Softbank and idealab, seems to be unable to keep up with the growth of competitor Yelp (and others) in this crowded space. Both Alexa and Google Trends suggest Yelp is the only company with any traction right now. Other companies doing something similar include Judy&#8217;s Book, Zipingo and Riffs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The company, which is funded by Sequoia, Softbank and idealab, seems to be unable to keep up with the growth of competitor Yelp (and others) in this crowded space. Both Alexa and Google Trends suggest Yelp is the only company with any traction right now. Other companies doing something similar include Judy&#8217;s Book, Zipingo and Riffs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Insider Pageｓで大レイオフ</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-678575</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Insider Pageｓで大レイオフ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/#comment-678575</guid>
		<description>[...] シリコンバレーの「Insider Pages」はここ数年で沢山あらわれたユーザーレビューサイトのひとつだが、最近、全スタッフの３分の２をレイオフしたと伝えられる。このニュースは、Insider Pagesの以前の従業員を面接した会社からもたらされた。Insider PagesはSequoia、Softbank、Idealabの出資を受けていたが、この混雑した分野で、ライバルのYelp (やその他)との競争について行けなくなったものとみられる。AlexaとGoogle Trendsの両方のデータが、この分野である程度のユーザーを確保しているのはYelpだけだと示している。他のサービスも、Judy’s Book、Zipingo、Riffsを含め、同様の措置を取っているもよう。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] シリコンバレーの「Insider Pages」はここ数年で沢山あらわれたユーザーレビューサイトのひとつだが、最近、全スタッフの３分の２をレイオフしたと伝えられる。このニュースは、Insider Pagesの以前の従業員を面接した会社からもたらされた。Insider PagesはSequoia、Softbank、Idealabの出資を受けていたが、この混雑した分野で、ライバルのYelp (やその他)との競争について行けなくなったものとみられる。AlexaとGoogle Trendsの両方のデータが、この分野である程度のユーザーを確保しているのはYelpだけだと示している。他のサービスも、Judy’s Book、Zipingo、Riffsを含め、同様の措置を取っているもよう。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Techcrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Big Layoffs At Insider Pages</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-677196</link>
		<dc:creator>Techcrunch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Big Layoffs At Insider Pages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/#comment-677196</guid>
		<description>[...] The company, which is funded by Sequoia, Softbank and idealab, seems to be unable to keep up with the growth of competitor Yelp (and others) in this crowded space. Both Alexa and Google Trends suggest Yelp is the only company with any traction right now. Other companies doing something similar include Judy&#8217;s Book, Zipingo and Riffs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The company, which is funded by Sequoia, Softbank and idealab, seems to be unable to keep up with the growth of competitor Yelp (and others) in this crowded space. Both Alexa and Google Trends suggest Yelp is the only company with any traction right now. Other companies doing something similar include Judy&#8217;s Book, Zipingo and Riffs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-369234</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it and the background and colors make it easy to readp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it and the background and colors make it easy to readp</p>
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		<title>By: ZipingoKim</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4382</link>
		<dc:creator>ZipingoKim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; As great as these services are, 
&gt;&gt; they rely on
[snip]
&gt;&gt; getting users to come to them 
&gt;&gt; to both write reviews
[snip]
&gt;&gt; 

Users of Intuit&#039;s Quicken only have to click on a blue star in the software to add their comments about a business to the Zipingo database.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; As great as these services are,<br />
&gt;&gt; they rely on<br />
[snip]<br />
&gt;&gt; getting users to come to them<br />
&gt;&gt; to both write reviews<br />
[snip]<br />
&gt;&gt; </p>
<p>Users of Intuit&#8217;s Quicken only have to click on a blue star in the software to add their comments about a business to the Zipingo database.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mowery</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4304</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Mowery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone looked at what the folks at Ning are doing?  http://www.Ning.com

Essentially they have created a core of these social apps, I suppose a framework, and you can derive your own version and customize it for your locale, needs, etc.

Several independent developers have done some real nice mash-ups using their tools and framework.  

So as several others here have stated, the ability to build these type of sites is/has become much easier. The challenge is getting them populated and building a user community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone looked at what the folks at Ning are doing?  <a href="http://www.Ning.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.Ning.com'>http://www.Ning.com</a></p>
<p>Essentially they have created a core of these social apps, I suppose a framework, and you can derive your own version and customize it for your locale, needs, etc.</p>
<p>Several independent developers have done some real nice mash-ups using their tools and framework.  </p>
<p>So as several others here have stated, the ability to build these type of sites is/has become much easier. The challenge is getting them populated and building a user community.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4172</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spotted a typo --- Zinpingo ?! No, Zipingo, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spotted a typo &#8212; Zinpingo ?! No, Zipingo, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Breslin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Breslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, good point, but all of these projects are aiming to take the local search away from yellow page books and yellowpages.com, etc. 

Now that approach seems counterintuitive since you are competing with the likes of google search and yahoo search. What one needs to do is find a way to get in those search results at the same time providing an added value to the businesses listed (i.e. expanded listings, maps, and other tools). This same value added enhances the utility to the consumer as well.

I know for one that I won&#039;t go and ADD a plumber I&#039;ve only used once to a website, thats his/her job. 

Back to the idea of an API though, just for curiosity&#039;s sake, what would people want with an API for this type of site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, good point, but all of these projects are aiming to take the local search away from yellow page books and yellowpages.com, etc. </p>
<p>Now that approach seems counterintuitive since you are competing with the likes of google search and yahoo search. What one needs to do is find a way to get in those search results at the same time providing an added value to the businesses listed (i.e. expanded listings, maps, and other tools). This same value added enhances the utility to the consumer as well.</p>
<p>I know for one that I won&#8217;t go and ADD a plumber I&#8217;ve only used once to a website, thats his/her job. </p>
<p>Back to the idea of an API though, just for curiosity&#8217;s sake, what would people want with an API for this type of site?</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4048</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, if you require that your resource be &quot;comprehensive,&quot; the utility threshold is so high that a starting point is necessary.

YelloWikis http://www.yellowikis.org/wiki/ is trying to wiki-ize the yellow pages w/o a starting dataset.  It looks like it&#039;s going to take them a long, long time before it&#039;s ever useful, if they ever get there.  It&#039;s likely that the requirement they placed on themselves -- comprehensive coverage rivaling the yellow pages -- is much too large for the relatively few contributors to ever approach a point where the resource is useful.

But if you tweak the requirements based on a slightly different user need (i.e. &quot;blue ocean&quot; approach), I&#039;m not so sure a comprehensive dataset is necessary.

For example, if you limit your scope to service providers (as Angie&#039;s List has), all of a sudden the dataset is manageable and a relatively small number of contributors can create a resource that&#039;s useful to thousands or hundreds of thousands of people.

How many plumbers in Washington D.C. need to have a great rating for the directory to be useful to me?  Likely only five or six.

In that scenario, the very costly expense of a starting dataset probably isn&#039;t necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, if you require that your resource be &#8220;comprehensive,&#8221; the utility threshold is so high that a starting point is necessary.</p>
<p>YelloWikis <a href="http://www.yellowikis.org/wiki/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.yellowikis.org/wiki/'>http://www.yell...wikis.org/wiki/</a> is trying to wiki-ize the yellow pages w/o a starting dataset.  It looks like it&#8217;s going to take them a long, long time before it&#8217;s ever useful, if they ever get there.  It&#8217;s likely that the requirement they placed on themselves &#8212; comprehensive coverage rivaling the yellow pages &#8212; is much too large for the relatively few contributors to ever approach a point where the resource is useful.</p>
<p>But if you tweak the requirements based on a slightly different user need (i.e. &#8220;blue ocean&#8221; approach), I&#8217;m not so sure a comprehensive dataset is necessary.</p>
<p>For example, if you limit your scope to service providers (as Angie&#8217;s List has), all of a sudden the dataset is manageable and a relatively small number of contributors can create a resource that&#8217;s useful to thousands or hundreds of thousands of people.</p>
<p>How many plumbers in Washington D.C. need to have a great rating for the directory to be useful to me?  Likely only five or six.</p>
<p>In that scenario, the very costly expense of a starting dataset probably isn&#8217;t necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Breslin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4037</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Breslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>often times the data sources are necessary, as it becomes a HUGE burden to have each user submit every business listed. thus the reason why a data source might work best if you get everything rolling, then users just review/rank everything thats there (in addition to suggesting new stuff).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>often times the data sources are necessary, as it becomes a HUGE burden to have each user submit every business listed. thus the reason why a data source might work best if you get everything rolling, then users just review/rank everything thats there (in addition to suggesting new stuff).</p>
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		<title>By: MyronK</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4036</link>
		<dc:creator>MyronK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local advertisers can be very fickle. They buy advertising (in yellow pages in particular) to make their phone ring or bring people in the door. 

They will sometimes try new things - but only once if they don&#039;t result in referencable sales. In some ways they are a tougher crowd than the Madison Ave. advertisers. 

I like Angie&#039;s list and use it (and pay to subscribe). The subscription results in what I find to be higher quality reviews since the people doing the reviews care enough about getting good services that they too subscribe. I suspect the broader-based free services will also provide some value (where would I be without TripAdvisor.com!) though I think the reviews can be gamed.

I agree with Michael that open free services would be much better than silos though it does give someone an aggregation opportunity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local advertisers can be very fickle. They buy advertising (in yellow pages in particular) to make their phone ring or bring people in the door. </p>
<p>They will sometimes try new things &#8211; but only once if they don&#8217;t result in referencable sales. In some ways they are a tougher crowd than the Madison Ave. advertisers. </p>
<p>I like Angie&#8217;s list and use it (and pay to subscribe). The subscription results in what I find to be higher quality reviews since the people doing the reviews care enough about getting good services that they too subscribe. I suspect the broader-based free services will also provide some value (where would I be without TripAdvisor.com!) though I think the reviews can be gamed.</p>
<p>I agree with Michael that open free services would be much better than silos though it does give someone an aggregation opportunity!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4031</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, here&#039;s a good article on clickz that lists the major IYP players and their datasources

http://www.clickz.com/experts/search/strat/article.php/3424401

These data sources are a bit off-topic from the &#039;local, grassroots business review&#039; sites that kicked off this thread.

But I think it&#039;s actually a great example of the benefit that can be provided by the right local business review application &amp; userbase.

These data providers exist because it&#039;s hard to centrally organize, vet &amp; QA large amounts of data.

Distribute it, though, let the &#039;wisdom of crowds&#039; work, and these large businesses may just find themselves a victim of the participatory web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, here&#8217;s a good article on clickz that lists the major IYP players and their datasources</p>
<p><a href="http://www.clickz.com/experts/search/strat/article.php/3424401" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.clickz.com/experts/search/strat/article.php/3424401'>http://www.clic...cle.php/3424401</a></p>
<p>These data sources are a bit off-topic from the &#8216;local, grassroots business review&#8217; sites that kicked off this thread.</p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s actually a great example of the benefit that can be provided by the right local business review application &amp; userbase.</p>
<p>These data providers exist because it&#8217;s hard to centrally organize, vet &amp; QA large amounts of data.</p>
<p>Distribute it, though, let the &#8216;wisdom of crowds&#8217; work, and these large businesses may just find themselves a victim of the participatory web.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/11/27/intuits-zipingo-joins-local-business-review-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-4030</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Re: source of YP data, my understanding is that most yellow pages (online and off) start with licensed data from one of several data aggregators.

The largest of these are InfoUSA (http://www.infousa.com/yellow_pages.htm), Experian (http://www.experianbizinsight.com/license_data/yllwpgs.shtml) and Acxiom (http://www.acxiom.com/PrintVersion.aspx?ID=2886&amp;DisplayID=18)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Re: source of YP data, my understanding is that most yellow pages (online and off) start with licensed data from one of several data aggregators.</p>
<p>The largest of these are InfoUSA (<a href="http://www.infousa.com/yellow_pages.htm)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.infousa.com/yellow_pages.htm'>http://www.info...ellow_pages.htm</a>), Experian (<a href="http://www.experianbizinsight.com/license_data/yllwpgs.shtml" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.experianbizinsight.com/license_data/yllwpgs.shtml'>http://www.expe...a/yllwpgs.shtml</a>) and Acxiom (<a href="http://www.acxiom.com/PrintVersion.aspx?ID=2886&amp;DisplayID=18)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.acxiom.com/PrintVersion.aspx?ID=2886&amp;DisplayID=18'>http://www.acxi...mp;DisplayID=18</a>)</p>
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