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		<title>By: TerryS</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-2747032</link>
		<dc:creator>TerryS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willie, I believe you are confusing the &quot;toolkit&quot; with &quot;desktop&quot;. A toolkit merely allows you to create GUI applications.

As Fred mentioned, the vast majority of Linux distros come with the QT and GTK. Furthermore, there is a GTK toolkit for Windows, too!

So, for example, you can install an Integrated Development Environment which allows you to code in several languages, compile your code, and use a toolkit to create GUI software, all from one &quot;application&quot; (often an application with optional plugins).

I haven&#039;t coded GUI software myself, but I believe one example is &quot;jEdit&quot;.

It&#039;s true that tech people/students are the &quot;ripe&quot; market for a cross-platform technology (and might I add *open format*) to allow us to read, search, and annotate textbooks and technical manuals on mulitple computers.

One foray into this area was OSoft&#039;s dotReader (which unfortunately has seemed to halt development). Besides switching to an open format, you could buy a book once and read it on multiple computers using your personal, private key. If you lost it, you could download the book again from a shopping cart.

It seems there must be some way to combine an open, XML-based format with plugins to allow verifying DRM keys or something. (For example, the DRM key could allow you to *open* the file/package with your DRM-enabled software, an inside is a book in an open, standard format *contained*.)

The reason for this is to allow *non-DRM* books to be downloaded and re-used with impunity and **WITHOUT dependence in particular software*, so books can be distributed through multiple channels. Meanwhile, publishers who want to **protect** their intellectual property merely need to take a book which uses said **open** format, but packages it with the DRM key as required for various applications for actual distribution.

So both non-DRM and DRM-enabled eBooks are use the same formatting, the DRM-enabled eBook is merely packaged with the DRM key for the appliction to **check** before allowing the user to view it with the application, and to prevent it being viewed in non-DRM applications.

I believe that&#039;s what OSoft was working on, though maybe they didn&#039;t go far enough with that concept.

Think this through further, and a person could buy their DRM key for a book and application directly from the publisher, or register the key with the publisher somehow, so if they want another key (to read the already purchased book) in another DRM-enabled application, they can do that.

O&#039;Reily was giving discounts on ThoutReader books to people who already bought a hard copy.

All I know is, I will **never** buy an eBook that ties me to a particular application. I will never buy a Kindle, or closed-format eBook software. I just buy new or used hard copies.

Also, PDFs are a poor substitute -- it&#039;s optimized for print, not flowing, resizable text. An awesome feature of ThoutReader was showing/hiding different levels of text, such as code examples and annotations. You could also search and get a **navigable list** (chapter/section/text block) to easily work with the search results. Those made it **WORTH** using an electronic as opposed to hard copy.

I believe transferability/re-use, software/platform interoperability, accessibility (re: disabilities), and text flow/flexibility/searchability are **key goals** the industry needs to achieve if they really want people to go digital!

Just my two cents -- I hope someone in the industry is listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willie, I believe you are confusing the &#8220;toolkit&#8221; with &#8220;desktop&#8221;. A toolkit merely allows you to create GUI applications.</p>
<p>As Fred mentioned, the vast majority of Linux distros come with the QT and GTK. Furthermore, there is a GTK toolkit for Windows, too!</p>
<p>So, for example, you can install an Integrated Development Environment which allows you to code in several languages, compile your code, and use a toolkit to create GUI software, all from one &#8220;application&#8221; (often an application with optional plugins).</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t coded GUI software myself, but I believe one example is &#8220;jEdit&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that tech people/students are the &#8220;ripe&#8221; market for a cross-platform technology (and might I add *open format*) to allow us to read, search, and annotate textbooks and technical manuals on mulitple computers.</p>
<p>One foray into this area was OSoft&#8217;s dotReader (which unfortunately has seemed to halt development). Besides switching to an open format, you could buy a book once and read it on multiple computers using your personal, private key. If you lost it, you could download the book again from a shopping cart.</p>
<p>It seems there must be some way to combine an open, XML-based format with plugins to allow verifying DRM keys or something. (For example, the DRM key could allow you to *open* the file/package with your DRM-enabled software, an inside is a book in an open, standard format *contained*.)</p>
<p>The reason for this is to allow *non-DRM* books to be downloaded and re-used with impunity and **WITHOUT dependence in particular software*, so books can be distributed through multiple channels. Meanwhile, publishers who want to **protect** their intellectual property merely need to take a book which uses said **open** format, but packages it with the DRM key as required for various applications for actual distribution.</p>
<p>So both non-DRM and DRM-enabled eBooks are use the same formatting, the DRM-enabled eBook is merely packaged with the DRM key for the appliction to **check** before allowing the user to view it with the application, and to prevent it being viewed in non-DRM applications.</p>
<p>I believe that&#8217;s what OSoft was working on, though maybe they didn&#8217;t go far enough with that concept.</p>
<p>Think this through further, and a person could buy their DRM key for a book and application directly from the publisher, or register the key with the publisher somehow, so if they want another key (to read the already purchased book) in another DRM-enabled application, they can do that.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Reily was giving discounts on ThoutReader books to people who already bought a hard copy.</p>
<p>All I know is, I will **never** buy an eBook that ties me to a particular application. I will never buy a Kindle, or closed-format eBook software. I just buy new or used hard copies.</p>
<p>Also, PDFs are a poor substitute &#8212; it&#8217;s optimized for print, not flowing, resizable text. An awesome feature of ThoutReader was showing/hiding different levels of text, such as code examples and annotations. You could also search and get a **navigable list** (chapter/section/text block) to easily work with the search results. Those made it **WORTH** using an electronic as opposed to hard copy.</p>
<p>I believe transferability/re-use, software/platform interoperability, accessibility (re: disabilities), and text flow/flexibility/searchability are **key goals** the industry needs to achieve if they really want people to go digital!</p>
<p>Just my two cents &#8212; I hope someone in the industry is listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha Yi</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-2379561</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Yi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!...Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts ! it was a great Wednesday .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!&#8230;Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts ! it was a great Wednesday .</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-609775</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vitalbooks is a bad news company which has tried, for example, to eliminate all paper books on Dental Medicine in order to rent the rights to Dentists world over with a bizzarre DRM scheme.

See LULU.COM for a much better solution...

Ruben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vitalbooks is a bad news company which has tried, for example, to eliminate all paper books on Dental Medicine in order to rent the rights to Dentists world over with a bizzarre DRM scheme.</p>
<p>See LULU.COM for a much better solution&#8230;</p>
<p>Ruben</p>
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		<title>By: game</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-234642</link>
		<dc:creator>game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 03:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>belching joyfully ridiculously?barrage validity.... Thanks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>belching joyfully ridiculously?barrage validity&#8230;. Thanks!!!</p>
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		<title>By: credit card</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-154936</link>
		<dc:creator>credit card</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conscience arbitrates Grimes encryptions!bullet squeezes,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conscience arbitrates Grimes encryptions!bullet squeezes,</p>
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		<title>By: MIhail</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-25341</link>
		<dc:creator>MIhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police have been checking vehicles in a zone around the site of the discovery, where poultry movements are restricted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police have been checking vehicles in a zone around the site of the discovery, where poultry movements are restricted.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Oliveira</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Oliveira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, dru, you&#039;re actually right. 99% of students per se are not. But a far greater share of IT students are running OSS on Linux, that&#039;s for sure. So are many government institutions in several countries and several schools. 

And big corporations.

But I have to agree that the general public isn&#039;t Linux-aware. Just like there are huge ammounts of people who are not IT-aware, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, dru, you&#8217;re actually right. 99% of students per se are not. But a far greater share of IT students are running OSS on Linux, that&#8217;s for sure. So are many government institutions in several countries and several schools. </p>
<p>And big corporations.</p>
<p>But I have to agree that the general public isn&#8217;t Linux-aware. Just like there are huge ammounts of people who are not IT-aware, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dru</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Dru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this sounds like herecy, but I would bet that 99% of the students out there are not running Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this sounds like herecy, but I would bet that 99% of the students out there are not running Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Oliveira</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Oliveira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to be like that, yes. Nowadays it&#039;s a little more pacific than that, though, thankfully. Most people have libraries for QT and GTK installed by default nowadays anyway, because it makes no sense to pick one toolkit over the other and totally ignore the rest of the applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be like that, yes. Nowadays it&#8217;s a little more pacific than that, though, thankfully. Most people have libraries for QT and GTK installed by default nowadays anyway, because it makes no sense to pick one toolkit over the other and totally ignore the rest of the applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie Abrams</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Willie Abrams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt our ability to use a given toolkit per se, it is the politics of picking a Linux toolkit.

If you do GNOME, the KDE folks come after you. Or vice versa. Or at least that is how it seemed to be. Is it still like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt our ability to use a given toolkit per se, it is the politics of picking a Linux toolkit.</p>
<p>If you do GNOME, the KDE folks come after you. Or vice versa. Or at least that is how it seemed to be. Is it still like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Oliveira</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Oliveira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Willie, thanks for reading and dropping a comment about linux.

In my previous development endeavours with Linux (and other *nix environments) I&#039;ve used GTK+, because it is GPL and widely available. I may be a little biased because I&#039;ve used Gnome for a long long time (when I&#039;m not on my mac) and have been a part of the dev team for a while - In fact, I&#039;m working with Gnome and Google on a project that&#039;ll launch in some days. But I do consider it the best widget toolkit for linux.

That said, why not look at the GTK documentation? It&#039;s pretty easy to develop with, there&#039;s hooks for a lot of programming languages and it is definitely a growing market you may want to explore with VS. 

Good luck! Thanks again for your input, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Willie, thanks for reading and dropping a comment about linux.</p>
<p>In my previous development endeavours with Linux (and other *nix environments) I&#8217;ve used GTK+, because it is GPL and widely available. I may be a little biased because I&#8217;ve used Gnome for a long long time (when I&#8217;m not on my mac) and have been a part of the dev team for a while &#8211; In fact, I&#8217;m working with Gnome and Google on a project that&#8217;ll launch in some days. But I do consider it the best widget toolkit for linux.</p>
<p>That said, why not look at the GTK documentation? It&#8217;s pretty easy to develop with, there&#8217;s hooks for a lot of programming languages and it is definitely a growing market you may want to explore with VS. </p>
<p>Good luck! Thanks again for your input, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Willie Abrams</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Willie Abrams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback on pricing. Some of it is under our control, and some of it is under publisher control. Certainly, we want to have much better pricing. I will pass your comments along to those who can make a difference.

As for the Linux question (and the main reason I am posting)...What UI toolkit? This has been the confusing question to me. I think that is the major question that any app developer has to answer first. Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback on pricing. Some of it is under our control, and some of it is under publisher control. Certainly, we want to have much better pricing. I will pass your comments along to those who can make a difference.</p>
<p>As for the Linux question (and the main reason I am posting)&#8230;What UI toolkit? This has been the confusing question to me. I think that is the major question that any app developer has to answer first. Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Oliveira</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2005/08/17/profile-vitalsource/comment-page-1/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Oliveira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess they&#039;re not sticking up to the &quot;cheaper books&quot; policy then. Good catch, juniorbonner, thanks for the input. 

I&#039;m not impressed by their prices, I&#039;m impressed by their approach to the web-application world by doing a client-side application that connects to a server, much like iTunes does it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess they&#8217;re not sticking up to the &#8220;cheaper books&#8221; policy then. Good catch, juniorbonner, thanks for the input. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not impressed by their prices, I&#8217;m impressed by their approach to the web-application world by doing a client-side application that connects to a server, much like iTunes does it.</p>
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		<title>By: juniorbonner</title>
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		<dc:creator>juniorbonner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so I had a look around at vitalsource, and not sure I am as impressed as you I&#039;m afraid.  Some of the books seem to be significantly more expensive than to buy from Amazon - for instance, The Oxford Companion to Philosophy is $55.49 to download but $37.80 to buy from Amazon (plus I can search inside the book at Amazon).  Not sure why I would want to pay more to download a book than to have the real thing.

A lot of the cheap books seem to be ones that are already in the public domain and can easily be found for free online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I had a look around at vitalsource, and not sure I am as impressed as you I&#8217;m afraid.  Some of the books seem to be significantly more expensive than to buy from Amazon &#8211; for instance, The Oxford Companion to Philosophy is $55.49 to download but $37.80 to buy from Amazon (plus I can search inside the book at Amazon).  Not sure why I would want to pay more to download a book than to have the real thing.</p>
<p>A lot of the cheap books seem to be ones that are already in the public domain and can easily be found for free online.</p>
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